[CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?

Fri Oct 14 13:06:20 PDT 2011

This is a much smaller problem. but always an argument that some QROstations
wish to hide behind.... "Yes, I run too much power, but I am smart enough to
turn my knobs correctly"... I sound perfect, but I am S9 plus 60....

73 de SM6LRR, Mats

2011/10/14 Andy V. Melanyin <ua3dpx at mail.ru>

> The other not very little problem is not only power but pushing all the
> driving knobs to maximum values (proc, drive, mic gaine). At some stations
> you can hear everything besides the operator voice ...
> 73! Andy UA3DPX/RM3F
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Strandberg" <sm6lrr at gmail.com>
>
> To: <k5zd at charter.net>
> Cc: <e73m at e73m.com>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:46 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
>
>
>  Randy,
>>
>> I agree that local groups, individuals or national associations could and
>> should support Contest Committees in solving such issues, but the overall
>> responsibility definitely must be on the organizers themselves.
>>
>> Nobody would be happier than me if we did not need to discuss issues like
>> Power Cheating on reflectors. I would have enjoyed contesting tremendously
>> if all competitiors by own initiative understood how exciting contesting
>> can
>> be obeying ALL rules.
>>
>> It is very important that the expression "Zero Tolerance Against Cheating"
>> is followed. There are too many discussions going on that adds flexibility
>> also within the organizations. I have heard too much talks also from
>> committee members that they do not see such big problems with power
>> cheating, because 3 kW instead of 1 or 1.5 kW only adds just a few dB and
>> they "can live with that"...  Also reference to the past that cheating has
>> always taken place, seems to be a justification why we should look between
>> the fingers.
>>
>> If we do not get a grip on the existing power cheating, contesting will
>> not
>> be a very attractive sport in years to come.
>>
>> The contest committees themselves must also of course make sure that ALL
>> committee members realize the full meaning of expression Zero Tolerance
>> and
>> follow not only Assisted-rules but also Power-rules. "Responsible
>> operation
>> of an amplifier" means:  Not to exceed the power limitations of the
>> contest
>> and nothing else...
>>
>> If organizers are not capable of handling Power Cheating, I can see a
>> future
>> where new associations/clubs are founded with focus on Fair Play
>> Radiosport.
>> Perhaps in the beginning, such groups will be considered a bit odd, but
>> the
>> more people realize the serious situation with Power cheating, the more
>> support such groups will get and we can perhaps clean contesting from the
>> inside.
>>
>> 73 de RA/SM6LRR, Mats
>>
>>
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>>
>> 2011/10/14 Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd at charter.net>
>>
>>  Why must the responsibility always be on the Contest Committee many
>>> thousands of miles away?  Who will be the first local group to stand up
>>> to
>>> the cheaters in their midst both directly, face to face, and by reporting
>>> them to the contest sponsors?  What are you afraid of?
>>>
>>> Randy, K5ZD
>>>
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.**com<cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com>[mailto:
>>> cq-contest-
>>> > bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mats Strandberg
>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:42 PM
>>> > To: e73m at e73m.com
>>> > Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
>>> >
>>> > This is what I intended to express...
>>> >
>>> > The power cheating is the big CHALLENGE of the present and future
>>> > contesting. WHO will be the first organizer deciding not to be an
>>> ostridge
>>> > concerning Power cheating?
>>> >
>>> > 73 de SM6LRR, Mats
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2011/10/13 <e73m at e73m.com>
>>> >
>>> > > Good question,
>>> > >
>>> > > How blatant can you get?
>>> > >
>>> > > Well, I will try again to bump the debate.
>>> > >
>>> > >  It is not fault of sellers but users who buy them and then drive > >
>>> them
>>> > > "responsibly".
>>> > > PVRC webinar from last Sunday, see at
>>> > > http://pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_**2011.wmv<http://pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_2011.wmv>, addressed issue of power and
>>> > > all I can get from those in charge of CQWW CC is :"be responsible and
>>> > fair".
>>> > > Another interesting thing was coined from K1DG and mentioned at
>>> > > webinar is SSSS (See Something, Say Something), related to 9/11 > >
>>> events
>>> > > and translated into contesting.
>>> > >
>>> > > Does CC wants us to be alert for big amps and report it to them? If >
>>> > we
>>> > > need to police contesters with links to sites showing blatantly their
>>> > > big amps (even stacked one above another with air vents moved on the
>>> > > side) , then why we need CC?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > This coming CQ WW phone I will do only 100w and I invite CC to > >
>>> appoint
>>> > > observer to come and check my power during the contest. Hope some > >
>>> will
>>> > > follow my footsteps and say the same but I really doubt.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >   73 Danny E73M,
>>> > > http://www.e73m.com
>>> > >
>>> > > How blatant can you get?
>>> > > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:53:08 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:
>>> > > > Check out this advertisement for a Henry 8K-Ultra from W7RF's
>>> > > > Radiodan website ( http://www.radiodan.com/Henry/**hf_price98.htm<http://www.radiodan.com/Henry/hf_price98.htm>)
>>> > > >
>>> > > > <quote>
>>> > > > Beautiful condition and ready for the contest season! You know > >
>>> > those
>>> > > > BIG signals coming from Europe on 160 and 80? Want to know what > >
>>> > they
>>> > > > use?
>>> > > > Yep, a Henry 8K.
>>> > > > And that's what you need for yourself to get through the noise.
>>> > > > Rated 5KW output (conservative)
>>> > > > Remote control with 20 foot cable
>>> > > > 240 VAC single phase
>>> > > > 30 day warranty
>>> > > > 8 presets
>>> > > > in service up until recently and ready for contest season!
>>> > > > Checked and tested by Henry factory less than 1 year ago </quote>
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 73,
>>> > > > Dave   AB7E
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
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