[CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?

Fri Oct 14 11:41:13 PDT 2011

Nice idea Luc,

So, how will you know that I'm not putting the 'sensor' on a 'dummy' amp tuned to output 1450watts into a dummy load vs. the REAL amp which is connected to the antennas. Or...in the case of low power entrants using POWER...putting the sensor on a low power output source... Sure that is an expensive 'work around' but if these guys are willing to run 3kw+ then they certainly will have the means (and wherewithal) to circumvent something like this.

But, a nice idea.

MD

---- Luc PY8AZT <py8azt at dxbrasil.net> wrote: 
> So, we cannot be on every top10 shack around the world. But, every top
> contest station has a computer with at least one free USB ports.
> 
> I'd like to contribute to development of "Power Log Device project"
> that will be able to read and register the power output with timestamp
> and record it into an encrypted file on the PC via USB port - just
> like we do on CAT. So, top contesters might send this file to contest
> sponsor or send it realtime where Internet is available.
> 
> We can start as a ingenuous test, with voluntaries competitors, then
> invite previous Top10 stations to use it during 48h next year.
> 
> I know, It is not a real e complete solution, but can mitigate some
> Power Cheating.
> 
> 73, Luc
> __
> PW7T Team member
> WRTC.2010 Brazilian Team Leader
> PY8AZT (also PT7AG, PX8C, ZZ8Z, ZY7C)
> LABRE, ARRL, CWJF & Fortaleza DX Group Member
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/10/14  <w1md at cfl.rr.com>:
> > Conversely,
> >
> > Folks also know (at least here in the US) that police will OFTEN cut you slack for a certain % over the limit...
> >
> > What is the GOAL? What do you want the outcome to be?
> >
> > 1.  Stop HIGH power cheating (folks running 1501watts, 1600watts, 3000watts+)
> > 2.  Stop the use of POWER when running in a low (or lower) power category?
> >
> > Seems to be two different problems...with two different solutions.
> >
> > Haven't seen ANYone pose a viable SOLUTION to either as yet.
> >
> > It IS pretty clear that putting it ALL on the contest organizer is not going to work.
> >
> > W1MD
> >
> > ---- Pete Smith <n4zr at contesting.com> wrote:
> >> It seems to me that the police radar analogy might be useful.  You know
> >> you're not being radar clocked all the time, but you never know when a
> >> cop might be around the next bend.  Similarly, if a few cheaters get
> >> publicly nailed (and banned for a lifetime) a lot of folks may decide
> >> they don't want to risk being the next one caught.
> >>
> >> 73, Pete N4ZR
> >>
> >> The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com
> >> The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
> >> spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/13/2011 11:54 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> >> > Most of us know that power is a big problem in contesting.  Pointing out
> >> > the problems is the easy part.  Providing a reasonable solution is not.
> >> > How can contest organizers determine the power that an entrant is using
> >> > without actually being at the station with an accurate meter in their shack?
> >> >
> >> > Mike W0MU
> >> >
> >> > J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011 CQ WW DX CW
> >> > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 10/13/2011 6:41 AM, Mats Strandberg wrote:
> >> >> This is what I intended to express...
> >> >>
> >> >> The power cheating is the big CHALLENGE of the present and future
> >> >> contesting. WHO will be the first organizer deciding not to be an ostridge
> >> >> concerning Power cheating?
> >> >>
> >> >> 73 de SM6LRR, Mats
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2011/10/13<e73m at e73m.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Good question,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> How blatant can you get?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Well, I will try again to bump the debate.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>    It is not fault of sellers but users who buy them and then drive them
> >> >>> "responsibly".
> >> >>> PVRC webinar from last Sunday, see at
> >> >>> http://pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_2011.wmv , addressed issue of power and all
> >> >>> I can get from those in charge of CQWW CC is :"be responsible and fair".
> >> >>> Another interesting thing was coined from K1DG and mentioned at webinar
> >> >>> is SSSS (See Something, Say Something), related to 9/11 events and
> >> >>> translated into contesting.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Does CC wants us to be alert for big amps and report it to them? If we
> >> >>> need to police contesters with links to sites showing blatantly their
> >> >>> big amps (even stacked one above another with air vents moved on the
> >> >>> side) , then why we need CC?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This coming CQ WW phone I will do only 100w and I invite CC to appoint
> >> >>> observer to come and check my power during the contest. Hope some will
> >> >>> follow my footsteps and say the same but I really doubt.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>     73 Danny E73M,
> >> >>> http://www.e73m.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>> How blatant can you get?
> >> >>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:53:08 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:
> >> >>>> Check out this advertisement for a Henry 8K-Ultra from W7RF's
> >> >>>> Radiodan
> >> >>>> website ( http://www.radiodan.com/Henry/hf_price98.htm )
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> <quote>
> >> >>>> Beautiful condition and ready for the contest season! You know those
> >> >>>> BIG
> >> >>>> signals coming from Europe on 160 and 80? Want to know what they use?
> >> >>>> Yep, a Henry 8K.
> >> >>>> And that's what you need for yourself to get through the noise.
> >> >>>> Rated 5KW output (conservative)
> >> >>>> Remote control with 20 foot cable
> >> >>>> 240 VAC single phase
> >> >>>> 30 day warranty
> >> >>>> 8 presets
> >> >>>> in service up until recently and ready for contest season!
> >> >>>> Checked and tested by Henry factory less than 1 year ago
> >> >>>> </quote>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 73,
> >> >>>> Dave   AB7E
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
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