[CQ-Contest] Cheating

[e73m at e73m.com]

Amen Dave,

It bothers me when I read some comments from US guys like there is no 
rest of the world.
Hans wants to tell us that in his ham world there is no enough cheaters 
to be alarmed.
Further more, he wants us to take this issue to yahoo groups and leave 
the reflector free to learn the contesting skills.
If I understand correctly this reflector is global and I expect to be 
heard same as any other HAM.
Maybe in US there is really not enough cheaters to be alarmed but guys, 
please pay attention to rest of the world, there are cheaters on all 
continents.
Majority of CQWW contest committiee members are from US, I expect them 
to lead the way as they did for so long.

73 Danny E73M

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:23:08 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:
> Actually, Hans, that's pretty much the attitude I was trying to 
> combat
> when I wrote my original post about the ad for the 8K-Ultra.  I 
> really
> wasn't trying to focus attention on the hardware side of things ... 
> not
> big amplifiers and not physical means of catching cheaters.  
> Personally,
> I don't think there is a practical solution to the problem from that 
> end.
>
> Instead, what bothered me greatly was that power cheating had become 
> so
> blatant that a nationally known vendor like RadioDan (W7RF) would
> publicly advocate the running of illegal power to gain a competitive
> edge in a contest.  As I've asked before, where's the universal
> condemnation of those who cheat?  They get a delisting in the contest
> results and that's pretty much it.  That's all the contest sponsor 
> can
> do but what about the rest of us?  Where's the willingness to 
> publicly
> speak out about cheaters based upon first hand knowledge?  As another
> poster here commented, people who reluctantly point a finger are more
> likely to be ignored because it is an uncomfortable topic, or worse,
> more likely to be condemned than the person they point the finger at.
>
> And while you may not have first hand knowledge of anyone who has
> cheated, I've listened to literally dozens of stories from people who
> claimed to have first hand knowledge of someone chronically cheating.
> So yeah, lets just keep pretending it's a "small number" of violators
> and ignore the issue some more, or pretend that the contest sponsors
> have the burden and the means to solely address the issue while we 
> get
> back to other, less contentious topics.
>
> Until we, the contesting community, accept some measure of
> responsibility for policing our own ranks and applying peer pressure 
> to
> rule violators we totally get what we deserve.  Being a contest 
> sponsor
> must be a ridiculously thankless task ....
>
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/14/2011 6:57 PM, Radio K0HB wrote:
>> Tony, you've neatly summarized the situation.
>>
>> I'm sure that there is some very small number of cheaters out there. 
>> I've
>> been hamming 50 years and contesting at some level for most of those 
>> years,
>> and I've never met one that I even SUSPECT, let alone could accuse 
>> in good
>> conscience, but like I said, I'm sure that there might be some small 
>> number
>> of them out there.
>>
>> So let's make a deal here, people.  If you know one and have 
>> persuasive
>> evidence, turn the sucker in to the contest sponsor.
>>
>> Now then, let's turn this back into a reflector where I can learn 
>> new
>> contesting skills.  Take your cheating jeremiads to
>> CQ-Contest-CHEATERS at yahoogroups.com  (yes, there is such a 
>> reflector).
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>> "Just a Boy and his Radio"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Rogozinski
>>
>>
>> Bottom line is that there is no solution - let them enjoy their 
>> shallow
>> victories and if you can prove it let the world know
>> in no uncertain terms who they are.  Those of you who can be 
>> included in the
>> group that I'm referring to may think
>> about it a little and consider the value of being dishonest - you're 
>> no
>> better than common criminals.
>>
>> Tony
>>
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