[CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?

Sat Oct 15 03:58:58 PDT 2011

I think that we have heard enough of these unsubstantiated claims that
"those enforcing the rules continue to look the other way".

Who is looking the other way and who is cheating? Please present the
evidence that proves that these claims are true.

Please present the *proof* that specific stations ran excessive power during
a specific contest.

Please present the *proof* that "those enforcing the rules have looked the
other way" despite this proof of excessive power cheating.

73,

Bob W5OV

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius W3WN
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:07 PM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?

Are you kidding me?

Do you really think that if someone is determined enough to cheat, they'll
stop with such a device?

I can think of a few ways to get around this... never mind what, I have no
desire to help cheaters cheat.  Point is, if a little pistol like me can
think of it, so can the big guns.

The real problem is that those who cheat... or if you prefer, who believe in
"winning" at any costs, who require a law degree to comb the rules with a
fine tooth comb looking for loopholes and any wording that can be weaseled
through, on the grounds of "if it's not prohibited then it's permitted"...
will continue to find ways to cheat.

Saddling the honest contesters and competitors with the requirements to
purchase additional hardware and software, upgrade internet connections and
storage, reconfigure computers to free i[ USB ports (and it is NOT a given
that "every" top station will have computers with "at least one" free USB
port)... in short to spend time, money & effort on items not directly
related to the operation of the transceiver & antenna systems themselves...
will NOT stop those determined to cheat.  It will only add an unnecessary
burden to the honest ham.

I don't like cheating any more than the other 99 & 44/100% plus of
contesters & DX'ers.  

But until the attitude of those who cheat change, the cheaters will be
there. 

And as long as those enforcing the rules continue to look the other way, to
do their "buddies" a favor by "bending" the rules, and by concentrating too
much on the legal letter of the rules and overlooking the intended spirit of
them... nothing proposed will have any practical difference.

73

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Luc PY8AZT
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:51 AM
To: w1md at cfl.rr.com
Cc: n4zr at contesting.com; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?

So, we cannot be on every top10 shack around the world. But, every top
contest station has a computer with at least one free USB ports.

I'd like to contribute to development of "Power Log Device project"
that will be able to read and register the power output with timestamp
and record it into an encrypted file on the PC via USB port - just
like we do on CAT. So, top contesters might send this file to contest
sponsor or send it realtime where Internet is available.

We can start as a ingenuous test, with voluntaries competitors, then
invite previous Top10 stations to use it during 48h next year.

I know, It is not a real e complete solution, but can mitigate some
Power Cheating.

73, Luc
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PW7T Team member
WRTC.2010 Brazilian Team Leader
PY8AZT (also PT7AG, PX8C, ZZ8Z, ZY7C)
LABRE, ARRL, CWJF & Fortaleza DX Group Member

2011/10/14  <w1md at cfl.rr.com>:
> Conversely,
>
> Folks also know (at least here in the US) that police will OFTEN cut you
slack for a certain % over the limit...
>
> What is the GOAL? What do you want the outcome to be?
>
> 1.  Stop HIGH power cheating (folks running 1501watts, 1600watts,
3000watts+)
> 2.  Stop the use of POWER when running in a low (or lower) power category?
>
> Seems to be two different problems...with two different solutions.
>
> Haven't seen ANYone pose a viable SOLUTION to either as yet.
>
> It IS pretty clear that putting it ALL on the contest organizer is not
going to work.
>
> W1MD
>
> ---- Pete Smith <n4zr at contesting.com> wrote:
>> It seems to me that the police radar analogy might be useful.  You know
>> you're not being radar clocked all the time, but you never know when a
>> cop might be around the next bend.  Similarly, if a few cheaters get
>> publicly nailed (and banned for a lifetime) a lot of folks may decide
>> they don't want to risk being the next one caught.
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>
>> The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at
www.conteststations.com
>> The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at
reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
>> spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/13/2011 11:54 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>> > Most of us know that power is a big problem in contesting.  Pointing
out
>> > the problems is the easy part.  Providing a reasonable solution is not.
>> > How can contest organizers determine the power that an entrant is using
>> > without actually being at the station with an accurate meter in their
shack?
>> >
>> > Mike W0MU
>> >
>> > J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011 CQ WW DX CW
>> > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/13/2011 6:41 AM, Mats Strandberg wrote:
>> >> This is what I intended to express...
>> >>
>> >> The power cheating is the big CHALLENGE of the present and future
>> >> contesting. WHO will be the first organizer deciding not to be an
ostridge
>> >> concerning Power cheating?
>> >>
>> >> 73 de SM6LRR, Mats
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2011/10/13<e73m at e73m.com>
>> >>
>> >>> Good question,
>> >>>
>> >>> How blatant can you get?
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, I will try again to bump the debate.
>> >>>
>> >>>    It is not fault of sellers but users who buy them and then drive
them
>> >>> "responsibly".
>> >>> PVRC webinar from last Sunday, see at
>> >>> http://pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_2011.wmv , addressed issue of power and
all
>> >>> I can get from those in charge of CQWW CC is :"be responsible and
fair".
>> >>> Another interesting thing was coined from K1DG and mentioned at
webinar
>> >>> is SSSS (See Something, Say Something), related to 9/11 events and
>> >>> translated into contesting.
>> >>>
>> >>> Does CC wants us to be alert for big amps and report it to them? If
we
>> >>> need to police contesters with links to sites showing blatantly their
>> >>> big amps (even stacked one above another with air vents moved on the
>> >>> side) , then why we need CC?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> This coming CQ WW phone I will do only 100w and I invite CC to
appoint
>> >>> observer to come and check my power during the contest. Hope some
will
>> >>> follow my footsteps and say the same but I really doubt.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>     73 Danny E73M,
>> >>> http://www.e73m.com
>> >>>
>> >>> How blatant can you get?
>> >>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:53:08 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:
>> >>>> Check out this advertisement for a Henry 8K-Ultra from W7RF's
>> >>>> Radiodan
>> >>>> website ( http://www.radiodan.com/Henry/hf_price98.htm )
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <quote>
>> >>>> Beautiful condition and ready for the contest season! You know those
>> >>>> BIG
>> >>>> signals coming from Europe on 160 and 80? Want to know what they
use?
>> >>>> Yep, a Henry 8K.
>> >>>> And that's what you need for yourself to get through the noise.
>> >>>> Rated 5KW output (conservative)
>> >>>> Remote control with 20 foot cable
>> >>>> 240 VAC single phase
>> >>>> 30 day warranty
>> >>>> 8 presets
>> >>>> in service up until recently and ready for contest season!
>> >>>> Checked and tested by Henry factory less than 1 year ago
>> >>>> </quote>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 73,
>> >>>> Dave   AB7E
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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