[CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?

Sat Oct 15 13:11:23 PDT 2011

Andy,
Sure I have heard of some operators deliberately making their contest 
signals wider. I think that should be considered by CC as serious the 
offence as excessive power or worse.

73, Igor UA9CDC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy V. Melanyin" <ua3dpx at mail.ru>
To: "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc at gmail.com>
Cc: <k5zd at charter.net>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?

> Igor,
> on the one hand you are right about the bandwidth...
> for i made an expirement in one of the latest contests i worked siriously.
> Usually i equlize my tx signal well and with the same power i tried to put 
> some shit in my signal...
> i guess the bandwidth of the tx signal incriezed
> (sorry for wrong spelling - to talk is much easier then to write)...
> i had better pile up and no one come close to my frequency.
> But i really do not like when others say "RM3F has a bad signal", i 
> decreased level of shit in my signal...
> and in 1 minut some S5... or OK... WITH  shit wide signal  came near my 
> frequency and pile up just died ... and i was really disuppointed with the 
> morden contesting...
> 73! UA3DPX/RM3F
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc at gmail.com>
> To: "Mats Strandberg" <sm6lrr at gmail.com>; "Andy V. Melanyin" 
> <ua3dpx at mail.ru>
> Cc: <k5zd at charter.net>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
>
>
>> Matts, with 59 plus 60 signal no one can sound perfect. Most modern radio
>> have only 30-35 db of IMD on TX. "Linear amps" often make it even worse. 
>> If
>> I were on the CC I would allow any power as long as the occupied 
>> bandwidth
>> is the same as that of a QRP station.
>>
>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mats Strandberg" <sm6lrr at gmail.com>
>> To: "Andy V. Melanyin" <ua3dpx at mail.ru>
>> Cc: <k5zd at charter.net>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
>>
>>
>>> This is a much smaller problem. but always an argument that some
>>> QROstations
>>> wish to hide behind.... "Yes, I run too much power, but I am smart 
>>> enough
>>> to
>>> turn my knobs correctly"... I sound perfect, but I am S9 plus 60....
>>>
>>> 73 de SM6LRR, Mats
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/10/14 Andy V. Melanyin <ua3dpx at mail.ru>
>>>
>>>> The other not very little problem is not only power but pushing all the
>>>> driving knobs to maximum values (proc, drive, mic gaine). At some
>>>> stations
>>>> you can hear everything besides the operator voice ...
>>>> 73! Andy UA3DPX/RM3F
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Strandberg" <sm6lrr at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> To: <k5zd at charter.net>
>>>> Cc: <e73m at e73m.com>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:46 AM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Randy,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that local groups, individuals or national associations could
>>>>> and
>>>>> should support Contest Committees in solving such issues, but the
>>>>> overall
>>>>> responsibility definitely must be on the organizers themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody would be happier than me if we did not need to discuss issues
>>>>> like
>>>>> Power Cheating on reflectors. I would have enjoyed contesting
>>>>> tremendously
>>>>> if all competitiors by own initiative understood how exciting 
>>>>> contesting
>>>>> can
>>>>> be obeying ALL rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is very important that the expression "Zero Tolerance Against
>>>>> Cheating"
>>>>> is followed. There are too many discussions going on that adds
>>>>> flexibility
>>>>> also within the organizations. I have heard too much talks also from
>>>>> committee members that they do not see such big problems with power
>>>>> cheating, because 3 kW instead of 1 or 1.5 kW only adds just a few dB
>>>>> and
>>>>> they "can live with that"...  Also reference to the past that cheating
>>>>> has
>>>>> always taken place, seems to be a justification why we should look
>>>>> between
>>>>> the fingers.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we do not get a grip on the existing power cheating, contesting 
>>>>> will
>>>>> not
>>>>> be a very attractive sport in years to come.
>>>>>
>>>>> The contest committees themselves must also of course make sure that 
>>>>> ALL
>>>>> committee members realize the full meaning of expression Zero 
>>>>> Tolerance
>>>>> and
>>>>> follow not only Assisted-rules but also Power-rules. "Responsible
>>>>> operation
>>>>> of an amplifier" means:  Not to exceed the power limitations of the
>>>>> contest
>>>>> and nothing else...
>>>>>
>>>>> If organizers are not capable of handling Power Cheating, I can see a
>>>>> future
>>>>> where new associations/clubs are founded with focus on Fair Play
>>>>> Radiosport.
>>>>> Perhaps in the beginning, such groups will be considered a bit odd, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> the
>>>>> more people realize the serious situation with Power cheating, the 
>>>>> more
>>>>> support such groups will get and we can perhaps clean contesting from
>>>>> the
>>>>> inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 de RA/SM6LRR, Mats
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/10/14 Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd at charter.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Why must the responsibility always be on the Contest Committee many
>>>>>> thousands of miles away?  Who will be the first local group to stand 
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the cheaters in their midst both directly, face to face, and by
>>>>>> reporting
>>>>>> them to the contest sponsors?  What are you afraid of?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Randy, K5ZD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> > From:
>>>>>> > cq-contest-bounces at contesting.**com<cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com>[mailto:
>>>>>> cq-contest-
>>>>>> > bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mats Strandberg
>>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:42 PM
>>>>>> > To: e73m at e73m.com
>>>>>> > Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > This is what I intended to express...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The power cheating is the big CHALLENGE of the present and future
>>>>>> > contesting. WHO will be the first organizer deciding not to be an
>>>>>> ostridge
>>>>>> > concerning Power cheating?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 73 de SM6LRR, Mats
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 2011/10/13 <e73m at e73m.com>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > Good question,
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > How blatant can you get?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Well, I will try again to bump the debate.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >  It is not fault of sellers but users who buy them and then drive 
>>>>>> > >  >
>>>>>> > >  >
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> > > "responsibly".
>>>>>> > > PVRC webinar from last Sunday, see at
>>>>>> > > http://pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_**2011.wmv<http://pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_2011.wmv>,
>>>>>> > > addressed issue of power and
>>>>>> > > all I can get from those in charge of CQWW CC is :"be responsible
>>>>>> > > and
>>>>>> > fair".
>>>>>> > > Another interesting thing was coined from K1DG and mentioned at
>>>>>> > > webinar is SSSS (See Something, Say Something), related to 9/11 > 
>>>>>> > >  >
>>>>>> events
>>>>>> > > and translated into contesting.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Does CC wants us to be alert for big amps and report it to them? 
>>>>>> > > If
>>>>>> > >  >
>>>>>> > we
>>>>>> > > need to police contesters with links to sites showing blatantly
>>>>>> > > their
>>>>>> > > big amps (even stacked one above another with air vents moved on
>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>> > > side) , then why we need CC?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > This coming CQ WW phone I will do only 100w and I invite CC to > 
>>>>>> > >  >
>>>>>> appoint
>>>>>> > > observer to come and check my power during the contest. Hope some 
>>>>>> > >  >
>>>>>> > >  >
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> > > follow my footsteps and say the same but I really doubt.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >   73 Danny E73M,
>>>>>> > > http://www.e73m.com
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > How blatant can you get?
>>>>>> > > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:53:08 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:
>>>>>> > > > Check out this advertisement for a Henry 8K-Ultra from W7RF's
>>>>>> > > > Radiodan website (
>>>>>> > > > http://www.radiodan.com/Henry/**hf_price98.htm<http://www.radiodan.com/Henry/hf_price98.htm>)
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > <quote>
>>>>>> > > > Beautiful condition and ready for the contest season! You know 
>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>> > those
>>>>>> > > > BIG signals coming from Europe on 160 and 80? Want to know what 
>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>> > they
>>>>>> > > > use?
>>>>>> > > > Yep, a Henry 8K.
>>>>>> > > > And that's what you need for yourself to get through the noise.
>>>>>> > > > Rated 5KW output (conservative)
>>>>>> > > > Remote control with 20 foot cable
>>>>>> > > > 240 VAC single phase
>>>>>> > > > 30 day warranty
>>>>>> > > > 8 presets
>>>>>> > > > in service up until recently and ready for contest season!
>>>>>> > > > Checked and tested by Henry factory less than 1 year ago 
>>>>>> > > > </quote>
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > 73,
>>>>>> > > > Dave   AB7E
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >
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