[CQ-Contest] Remote Control in Contests

Fri Apr 13 21:42:30 PDT 2012

I'm a day behind in this thread, so if this has already been brought up...

Mike, you wrote: "Cheaters get exposed most of the time. If you are in 
Europe how do I know you are in Italy or France? There is nothing 
stopping anyone from obtaining multiple callsigns and using them. In 
fact, I received cards for J6M 2 minutes apart from the same guy using 
called from two different EU countries. I alerted both CQ and ARRL to 
this and it is theirs to deal with."

I fail to see any problem with this which required any "alerting". Was 
this station running a pair of remote stations in two different 
countries, properly licensed in each country?

What issue am I overlooking?

73 de Bob - KØRC in MN (operator & station)

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On 4/12/2012 11:09 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> Yuri,
>
> Someone had to build a station, setup antennas, get them to work and
> keep them working.
>
> Anyone can win a certificate in any contest by simply picking the right
> class to enter.  Sure there are places you can go that you can set up
> minimal antennas and radios and do very well.  So what?   How does
> remote operation change that.
>
> If someone wants to setup 10 remote stations and split their time so be
> it.  It offers me the opportunity to work 9 new stations from a mult
> that might not be available otherwise.  I am having FUN and so is the
> other guy.
>
> I am not sure what you are beating around the bush about.  I suspect
> cheating and we have a tough time with that anyway.  How does CQ know
> that W0MU was operating W0MU and not some other guy?  They don't.
> People cheat and will always cheat.  Cheaters get exposed most of the
> time.  If you are in Europe how do I know you are in Italy or France?
> There is nothing stopping anyone from obtaining multiple callsigns and
> using them.  In fact, I received cards for J6M 2 minutes apart from the
> same guy using called from two different EU countries.  I alerted both
> CQ and ARRL to this and it is theirs to deal with.
>
> How the other countries handle this is their business.  If they deem it
> ok then who are we to question them?
>
> Change is good folks...It moved us from spark gap transmitters to what
> we have today.
>
> Most times you would never know if the guy you are working is remote or
> not.  So why does it matter?  What assurances do you have today that the
> guy you are working is where he says he is?  None.  There are all sorts
> of stories about dx peditions especially to the Caribbean that never
> took place from the place they claimed.  Some were caught others were not.
>
> This is a hobby.  If remote operations make it more fun for people and
> create more activity I am for it.
>
>
> Mike W0MU
>
> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
>
>
> On 4/12/2012 8:21 AM, k3bu at optimum.net wrote:
>> Hans, K0HB, "Just a boy and his (friends) radio" wrote:
>>
>>> Clearly stated, the STATION licensee.
>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>> One day T. Arcala FT1000 (station) went to Azores Dept. of radio licenses and got (bought?) him (her)self station licenses and managed to win contest without having boy at the station. He even got precious certificate to prove it!
>>
>> The point is that some of the loud arguers argument that remoteering is just extending the headphones and mike "wires" is not so simple. How do the licensing authorities look at situation when station in their country is operated by someone whoknowswhere? Possible solution signing CQ8X/OH2UA/r?
>>
>> Now the technology allows boy to have part of his radios all over the world and to pretend being there - single op - split? Time for new category?
>>
>> That would make too much sense. Why bother when ham radio logic is happy with skewed scoring system in the world's wide biggest contest, hired guns are single op and skimmer is a person-assistant, 3QSO "penalty". Instead of listening to top contester's opinions, the chatter of (internet) loud opinions sets the course and contest radio governments cast the rules in stone.
>> Technology is progressing and bringing new dimensions to our hobby/sport, we should carefully consider the implications and adjust our contests rules and categories to accommodate the progress.
>>
>> Need new country? Let me know, I will mail or drop from the airplane the other half of my station there and give you a NEW one! We should have all countries on the air 24/7 very soon. We need more frequencies, wider bands to accommodate all of their perpetual CQing so everyone can have ALL multipliers. Oh, and don't forget the robot "stations", I don't need me anymore, K3BUr will be making contacts long after I am gone.
>>
>> Just wanted to shine some light at the "wire extended mike/key" idea, that maybe is not so simple especially when it involves cross border control - one pretending to be somewhere else.
>>
>> 73  Yuri, soon 1S1AAA/K3BU
>>
>>
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