[CQ-Contest] New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes

Fri Aug 3 12:22:14 PDT 2012

How would you view editing them coming back from a break, but before
you started calling CQ again?

73, Guy.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Dick Green <wc1m73 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've never been in favor of super-strict interpretation of the rules, but I think one can make a legitimate argument that *any* editing of the log after the contest constitutes operating outside the time limits of the contest.
>
> Consider this: you typo when entering a call and notice it a few QSOs later. You make a note to correct the log entry after the contest. Why didn't you stop and make the correction when you noticed it? Ah, but that would have caused you to lose time that you would otherwise have spent working stations or looking for new ones. If you were running stations at 200/hr, your rate would drop precipitously and you would lose several QSOs while editing. In effect, you are using time after the contest to maintain rate and work more stations during the contest.
>
> 73, Dick WC1M
>
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:00 PM, "cq-contest-request at contesting.com" <cq-contest-request at contesting.com> wrote:
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>>   1. Re: New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes (Kelly Taylor)
>>   2. Re: New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>      (Stan Stockton)
>>   3. Re: New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes (Radio K0HB)
>>   4. JIDX 2011 Phone contest result (Takao Kumagai)
>>   5. I just noticed.... redux (Radio K0HB)
>>   6. Re: I just noticed.... redux (Paul Stoetzer)
>> I would agree with Hans, but would add that the 'log' isn't just what you
>> type into the computer. I would argue that if you write out a note during
>> the contest correcting an entry, that note becomes part of your log no
>> differently than if you had, in the paper days, scribbled a correction
>> beside the log entry.
>>
>> I don't see scribbling that note as being any different than cursor-arrow up
>> to the correctable entry, knowing that some programs are easier to edit on
>> the fly than others. It shows you DID copy it correctly during the contest.
>>
>> Does anyone have any problem with editing *during* the contest? Let's say
>> you log K0SB and then try to work K0HB later in the contest and get a QSO
>> B4, and are able to determine that you goofed the first time around.
>>
>> I don't think contests are typing competitions any more than contests were
>> penmanship competitions in the paper days.
>>
>> 73, kelly
>> ve4xt
>>
>> On 8/1/12 4:48 PM, "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would disagree that grooming your log /post contest/ with an audio
>>> recording is acceptable.
>>>
>>> I believe that my log ought to reflect what I actually recorded IN THE HEAT
>>> OF BATTLE.  No exceptions.
>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: LY8O
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 6:57 PM
>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>>
>>> Hello ALL,
>>>
>>> Because I can not believe I will be not able to use my own audio recordings
>>> after the contest (what I am doing very rare and just for the really
>>> questionable moments which are very few) I take a look to the
>>> http://www.cqww.com/rules.php and has found something different from Phillip
>>> was wrote.
>>> Here is a part of the text:
>>> "<snip> post-contest modification of a log by using data sources to correct
>>> call sign/exchange errors and "rubber clocking" by the entrant." (chapter
>>> XIII, part C, nr. 3).
>>> There is nothing about usage of the own audio records... All other text is
>>> 100% acceptable for me as well as a new log sending period of 5 days (7
>>> could be easier to remember for the human IMHO :) ).
>>> Will look forward for more clear explanations from CC.
>>>
>>> 73, Remi LY8O
>>>
>>> ZL2TZE wrote:
>>> New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>> Posted on Radio-sport.net
>>> Along with instituting a new five day log submission deadline, the CQ WW
>>> Contest Committee has included a specific rule change for the 2012 CQ WW DX
>>> Contests that seeks to crack down on post contest log changes. "Post-contest
>>> correcting of call signs by using any database, recordings or confirming
>>> QSO's
>>> is not allowed."
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 Phillip
>>> ZL2TZE
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>>
>>
>> Thought it said database, recordings or confirming QSOs.  If so, make all the notes you want and fix post contest.  Should not be an issue
>>
>> Stan, K5GO
>>
>> Sent from Stan's IPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Kelly Taylor <ve4xt at mymts.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I would agree with Hans, but would add that the 'log' isn't just what you
>>> type into the computer. I would argue that if you write out a note during
>>> the contest correcting an entry, that note becomes part of your log no
>>> differently than if you had, in the paper days, scribbled a correction
>>> beside the log entry.
>>>
>>> I don't see scribbling that note as being any different than cursor-arrow up
>>> to the correctable entry, knowing that some programs are easier to edit on
>>> the fly than others. It shows you DID copy it correctly during the contest.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any problem with editing *during* the contest? Let's say
>>> you log K0SB and then try to work K0HB later in the contest and get a QSO
>>> B4, and are able to determine that you goofed the first time around.
>>>
>>> I don't think contests are typing competitions any more than contests were
>>> penmanship competitions in the paper days.
>>>
>>> 73, kelly
>>> ve4xt
>>>
>>> On 8/1/12 4:48 PM, "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would disagree that grooming your log /post contest/ with an audio
>>>> recording is acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that my log ought to reflect what I actually recorded IN THE HEAT
>>>> OF BATTLE.  No exceptions.
>>>>
>>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: LY8O
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 6:57 PM
>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>>>
>>>> Hello ALL,
>>>>
>>>> Because I can not believe I will be not able to use my own audio recordings
>>>> after the contest (what I am doing very rare and just for the really
>>>> questionable moments which are very few) I take a look to the
>>>> http://www.cqww.com/rules.php and has found something different from Phillip
>>>> was wrote.
>>>> Here is a part of the text:
>>>> "<snip> post-contest modification of a log by using data sources to correct
>>>> call sign/exchange errors and "rubber clocking" by the entrant." (chapter
>>>> XIII, part C, nr. 3).
>>>> There is nothing about usage of the own audio records... All other text is
>>>> 100% acceptable for me as well as a new log sending period of 5 days (7
>>>> could be easier to remember for the human IMHO :) ).
>>>> Will look forward for more clear explanations from CC.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Remi LY8O
>>>>
>>>> ZL2TZE wrote:
>>>> New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>>> Posted on Radio-sport.net
>>>> Along with instituting a new five day log submission deadline, the CQ WW
>>>> Contest Committee has included a specific rule change for the 2012 CQ WW DX
>>>> Contests that seeks to crack down on post contest log changes. "Post-contest
>>>> correcting of call signs by using any database, recordings or confirming
>>>> QSO's
>>>> is not allowed."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73 Phillip
>>>> ZL2TZE
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>> --
>>>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>>>> --
>>>> Proud Member of:
>>>> A1 Operators - http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op
>>>> Minnesota Wireless contesters - http://www.W0AA.org
>>>> Arizona Outlaws contesters - http://www.arizonaoutlaws.net
>>>> Twin City DX Assn - http://www.tcdxa.org
>>>> Lake Vermilion DX Assn - http://www.lvdxa.org
>>>> CWOps - http://www.cwops.org
>>>> SOC - http://www.qsl.net/soc
>>>> Twin City FM Club - http://tcfmc.org
>>>> --
>>>> Superstition trails --> http://oldslowhans.wordpress.com/
>>>> Sea stories here ---> http://k0hb.wordpress.com/
>>>> Request QSL at ---> http://www.clublog.org/logsearch/K0HB
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>>
>> Agreed, Kelly.  I'd consider a correction note scribbled in the midst of the contest as perfectly within both the letter and spirit of the competition (unless that note was "check my audio recording on that weak callsign at 2109Z"  <grin>)
>>
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:07 PM
>> To: Radio K0HB ; ly8o at ot.lt ; cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>
>> I would agree with Hans, but would add that the 'log' isn't just what you
>> type into the computer. I would argue that if you write out a note during
>> the contest correcting an entry, that note becomes part of your log no
>> differently than if you had, in the paper days, scribbled a correction
>> beside the log entry.
>>
>> I don't see scribbling that note as being any different than cursor-arrow up
>> to the correctable entry, knowing that some programs are easier to edit on
>> the fly than others. It shows you DID copy it correctly during the contest.
>>
>> Does anyone have any problem with editing *during* the contest? Let's say
>> you log K0SB and then try to work K0HB later in the contest and get a QSO
>> B4, and are able to determine that you goofed the first time around.
>>
>> I don't think contests are typing competitions any more than contests were
>> penmanship competitions in the paper days.
>>
>> 73, kelly
>> ve4xt
>>
>> On 8/1/12 4:48 PM, "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would disagree that grooming your log /post contest/ with an audio
>>> recording is acceptable.
>>>
>>> I believe that my log ought to reflect what I actually recorded IN THE HEAT
>>> OF BATTLE.  No exceptions.
>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: LY8O
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 6:57 PM
>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>>
>>> Hello ALL,
>>>
>>> Because I can not believe I will be not able to use my own audio recordings
>>> after the contest (what I am doing very rare and just for the really
>>> questionable moments which are very few) I take a look to the
>>> http://www.cqww.com/rules.php and has found something different from Phillip
>>> was wrote.
>>> Here is a part of the text:
>>> "<snip> post-contest modification of a log by using data sources to correct
>>> call sign/exchange errors and "rubber clocking" by the entrant." (chapter
>>> XIII, part C, nr. 3).
>>> There is nothing about usage of the own audio records... All other text is
>>> 100% acceptable for me as well as a new log sending period of 5 days (7
>>> could be easier to remember for the human IMHO :) ).
>>> Will look forward for more clear explanations from CC.
>>>
>>> 73, Remi LY8O
>>>
>>> ZL2TZE wrote:
>>> New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>> Posted on Radio-sport.net
>>> Along with instituting a new five day log submission deadline, the CQ WW
>>> Contest Committee has included a specific rule change for the 2012 CQ WW DX
>>> Contests that seeks to crack down on post contest log changes. "Post-contest
>>> correcting of call signs by using any database, recordings or confirming
>>> QSO's
>>> is not allowed."
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 Phillip
>>> ZL2TZE
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> --
>>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>>> --
>>> Proud Member of:
>>> A1 Operators - http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op
>>> Minnesota Wireless contesters - http://www.W0AA.org
>>> Arizona Outlaws contesters - http://www.arizonaoutlaws.net
>>> Twin City DX Assn - http://www.tcdxa.org
>>> Lake Vermilion DX Assn - http://www.lvdxa.org
>>> CWOps - http://www.cwops.org
>>> SOC - http://www.qsl.net/soc
>>> Twin City FM Club - http://tcfmc.org
>>> --
>>> Superstition trails --> http://oldslowhans.wordpress.com/
>>> Sea stories here ---> http://k0hb.wordpress.com/
>>> Request QSL at ---> http://www.clublog.org/logsearch/K0HB
>>> All valid QSL requests honored with old fashioned paper QSL!
>>> LoTW participant
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>>
>>
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>> --
>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>> --
>> Proud Member of:
>> A1 Operators - http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op
>> Minnesota Wireless contesters - http://www.W0AA.org
>> Arizona Outlaws contesters - http://www.arizonaoutlaws.net
>> Twin City DX Assn - http://www.tcdxa.org
>> Lake Vermilion DX Assn - http://www.lvdxa.org
>> CWOps - http://www.cwops.org
>> SOC - http://www.qsl.net/soc
>> Twin City FM Club - http://tcfmc.org
>> --
>> Superstition trails --> http://oldslowhans.wordpress.com/
>> Sea stories here ---> http://k0hb.wordpress.com/
>> Request QSL at ---> http://www.clublog.org/logsearch/K0HB
>> All valid QSL requests honored with old fashioned paper QSL!
>> LoTW participant
>>
>> Dear contest lovers
>>
>> Now I uploaded the 2011 JIDX-PHONE contest result on the web.
>> Here is our home page.
>> The 2012 JIDX-CW result will be opened in a month or so.
>>
>> http://jidx.org/
>> --
>> JE1CKA Tack Kumgai
>> je1cka at chofu.jaxa.jp
>> je1cka at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On correction from a couple of guys, Mexico IS a multiplier.  My error.
>>
>> But then, with 31 states and a "Federal District", we could have a lot more multipliers!
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>
>> From: Radio K0HB
>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:26 AM
>> To: CQ-Contest
>> Subject: I just noticed....
>> It's called the North America QSO Party.
>>
>> Hawaii is a multiplier.
>>
>> Mexico isn't a multiplier.
>>
>> Odd, that!
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>> --
>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>> --
>> Proud Member of:
>> A1 Operators - http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op
>> Minnesota Wireless contesters - http://www.W0AA.org
>> Arizona Outlaws contesters - http://www.arizonaoutlaws.net
>> Twin City DX Assn - http://www.tcdxa.org
>> Lake Vermilion DX Assn - http://www.lvdxa.org
>> CWOps - http://www.cwops.org
>> SOC - http://www.qsl.net/soc
>> Twin City FM Club - http://tcfmc.org
>> --
>> Superstition trails --> http://oldslowhans.wordpress.com/
>> Sea stories here ---> http://k0hb.wordpress.com/
>> Request QSL at ---> http://www.clublog.org/logsearch/K0HB
>> All valid QSL requests honored with old fashioned paper QSL!
>> LoTW participant
>>
>>
>> Yes, but from NAQP's ridiculous precedent, the Distrito Federal would
>> count as part of the State of Mexico despite the two being separate
>> political entities, so you would add only 31 multipliers, not 32.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul, N8HM
>> Washington, DC
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On correction from a couple of guys, Mexico IS a multiplier.  My error.
>>>
>>> But then, with 31 states and a "Federal District", we could have a lot more multipliers!
>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>
>>> From: Radio K0HB
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:26 AM
>>> To: CQ-Contest
>>> Subject: I just noticed....
>>> It's called the North America QSO Party.
>>>
>>> Hawaii is a multiplier.
>>>
>>> Mexico isn't a multiplier.
>>>
>>> Odd, that!
>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> --
>>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>>> --
>>> Proud Member of:
>>> A1 Operators - http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op
>>> Minnesota Wireless contesters - http://www.W0AA.org
>>> Arizona Outlaws contesters - http://www.arizonaoutlaws.net
>>> Twin City DX Assn - http://www.tcdxa.org
>>> Lake Vermilion DX Assn - http://www.lvdxa.org
>>> CWOps - http://www.cwops.org
>>> SOC - http://www.qsl.net/soc
>>> Twin City FM Club - http://tcfmc.org
>>> --
>>> Superstition trails --> http://oldslowhans.wordpress.com/
>>> Sea stories here ---> http://k0hb.wordpress.com/
>>> Request QSL at ---> http://www.clublog.org/logsearch/K0HB
>>> All valid QSL requests honored with old fashioned paper QSL!
>>> LoTW participant
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