[CQ-Contest] Cheating

Gerry Treas, K8GT k8gt at mi.rr.com
Thu Jul 19 13:29:33 PDT 2012

Not by itself.  It would have to be compared to the submitted log, station worked, time, frequency.

Then, that would make it damning evidence.  Otherwise, there's now way to prove that just hearing a callsign, that it was actually that station.  There are people around that would like to play pranks and discredit a big multi-op.

Due diligence in an investigation with integrity.

73, Gerry, K8GT

---- Jimk8mr at aol.com wrote: 

If SDR recordings, or other means, prove the multiple signals operation,  
would that be appropriate grounds for disqualification?
If so, would that disqualification disqualify the operators from WRTC 2014  
73  -  Jim    K8MR
In a message dated 7/18/2012 2:34:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
w5ov at w5ov.com writes:

I would  have to disagree on this and support KR2Q's suggestion.

This forum is  the appropriate peer group - we're nearly 100% amateur  radio

In contrast, publishing the callsign of these  scoundrels in a letter to
the editor of QST might be correctly considered a  public forum, but this
email list is not.

Name names (callsigns), I  say!

de W5OV

> I wouldn't be inclined to identify the  station publicly (this time) but
> rather submit my evidence to the  sponsor of the contest.
> "Peer pressure" and "public  humiliation" are not synonymous terms.
> 73, de Hans,  K0HB
> On Jul 18, 2012, at 5:34 AM,  kr2q at optimum.net wrote:
>> Well, in every aspect of life,  there have been, are, and always will be
>>  cheaters.
>> Two big elements (historically) that  motivate cheating are (a) others do
>> it so I need to
>>  cheat as well in order to maintain a level playing field (HA!) and  (b)
>> What is the risk of getting
>>  caught?
>> For ham radio events, there is a subset of  (b)....if I get caught, will
>> the contest sponsor
>>  actually take any action?
>> As we all know, there are  some contests where "nobody ever gets DQed."
>> Maybe one of  "those"
>> has very recently changed for a single entrant.  A  move in the right
>> direction.
>> Many decades  ago (and definitely NOT the case today or even recently),
>> the WPX  contest was
>> simply a joke in terms of log checking. The claimed  score always = final
>> score.  At the time,
>> when  questioned about the lack of checking, the reply was, "This isn't
>>  that kind of contest."
>> Really?  Clearly, that wrong attitude  was fixed ages ago now.
>> So in consideration of "I wish  they would do the right thing," that
>> really depends in  great
>> part on the sponsor taking action.
>>  Also, I get your point, but I would say that 99.9% honesty is a  bit
>> optimistic.  In a contest
>> with, say, 7000 log  entries, do you really think there are only 7 guys
>> breaking the  rules?  Or
>> maybe you distinguish between "breaking the rules"  and intentional
>> "cheating."
>> Finally, at  least for me, a big part of honesty and integrity and peer
>>  pressure.  I don't know
>> why you have not listed the callsign  of this station.  I think it would
>> do tremendous  good.
>> Hopefully, if they don't "fall on their sword," after your  admonition,
>> you will then feel
>> compelled to reveal  their identify.  I'm sure someone has an SDR
>> recording of the  contest
>> that would clearly demonstrate two signals at  once.
>> Thanks for bringing this to light!  We need  more of the same from
>> others.
>> de Doug  KR2Q

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