[CQ-Contest] Two questions about CQ WW SSB contest logging

Fri Nov 2 08:44:33 EDT 2012

At the risk of getting too obvious...

If you don't get the right exchange in a contest, shouldn't you just ask for
it?

I remember in SS many times getting back something like 'five nine three'
and having to ask if the op could give me the right exchange.

After a serial number of 40, it's pretty obvious it's not a zone number. Up
to 40, there are probably a few that get you pretty excited...

Often, it's because the op just got on to play for a bit and made a faulty
assumption of the rules. Doesn't mean the QSO is invalid, as long as you get
the right exchange.

73, kelly
ve4xt

On 11/1/12 8:37 PM, "Radio Station K0HB" <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought the idea of a contest was to demonstrate our ability to correctly
> copy an exchange.
> 
> Are we to enter what was "actually" sent, or what we suspect "should have
> been" sent?
> 
> 73,
> 
> de Hans, K0HB
> --
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 1, 2012, at 20:26, "Randy Thompson K5ZD" <k5zd at charter.net> wrote:
> 
>> CQWW is unusual in that the zone of the other station is often known just
>> from their call sign.  Since zones are multipliers, it is traditional that
>> you would want to enter the correct zone number in your log rather than a
>> serial number.
>> 
>> Since the log checking is expecting to find a zone number in the log, it
>> would be highly recommended that you provide one.
>> 
>> Randy, K5ZD
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>>> N2TK, Tony
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:56 PM
>>> To: k5zd at charter.net; 'CQ-Contest Reflector'
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Two questions about CQ WW SSB contest logging
>>> 
>>> We logged what the other station sent us. Some insisted on giving out
>>> serial numbers and that is what we entered. I wonder how the contest
>>> committee will handle those situations?
>>> 73,
>>> N2TK/NP2, Tony
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Randy Thompson K5ZD
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:20 PM
>>> To: 'Hank Greeb'; 'CQ-Contest Reflector'
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Two questions about CQ WW SSB contest logging
>>> 
>>> Let's not get carried away here.
>>> 
>>> The CQWW rules state:
>>> "III.13. Post-contest correcting of call signs by using any database,
>>> recordings or confirming QSO's is not allowed (Rule XII.2 always
>>> applies)."
>>> 
>>> I.e., don't correct calls after the contest.
>>> 
>>> I paraphrased this during the webinar to:
>>> - Put your log in Cabrillo format
>>> - Send it in
>>> 
>>> We want your log in the proper format.  It makes our job easier and it
>>> helps you keep all of the points that you earned.  Helping a new
>>> contester get their log submitted earns you some extra karma points.
>>> 
>>> Remember.  This is supposed to be fun.
>>> 
>>> Randy, K5ZD
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Hank Greeb
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:55 AM
>>>> To: CQ-Contest Reflector
>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Two questions about CQ WW SSB contest logging
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I admit to making an "after contest" adjustment of my cabrillo file
>>>> for the recent CQ WW SSB contest.  I wasn't quite "with it" when I
>>>> started the contest, and gave one fellow a "Zone 5" instead of my
>>> "real"
>>> Zone 4.
>>>> I tried to edit the contact to put zone 5 in the contact line, but
>>>> didn't see any "CQ Zone" in the "Edit Contact" box.  Since I couldn't
>>>> change the CQ Zone during the contest, I entered "sent zone 5 instead
>>>> of zone 4" in the comment field, and after the fact I changed the one
>>>> log line in my cabrillo file to Zone 5.
>>>> 
>>>> I now think (but am not sure) that the zone COULD have been changed
>>>> for this one contact by entering "5" in the "exchange" box, but it
>>>> wasn't obvious during the heat of the contest.  And, I'll never
>>>> understand why the "comment" field is in the "Edit contact" pane, but
>>>> to retrieve the data one must go to VIEW>NOTES (NOT VIEW>COMMENTS).
>>>> This resulted in a big puzzle, and a note to my two "Elmers" for N1MM
>>>> software, who pointed out that "Comments" were labeled "Notes" under
>>>> the
>>> VIEW tab.
>>>> 
>>>> Should my "after the fact editing" of this one line in the log result
>>>> in disqualification of my entry, and should an orange or red card be
>>> issued?
>>>> The rules specifically say I should not massage the log after the fact.
>>>> My reasoning was that I had the data in the comment or note Field in
>>>> the N1MM "raw" log, couldn't figure out how to edit it "on the fly,"
>>>> and I didn't want to penalize the other station for a busted QSO
>>>> because of my error.
>>>> 
>>>> ====================
>>>> 
>>>> The other question involves a newbie who entered the contest using a
>>>> "non contest" logging programme.  It supposedly made a cabrillo file,
>>>> but the result did NOT have his zone, nor did it have the received
>>>> signal
>>> report.
>>>> We managed to "massage" this log with Notepad edit feature, so that it
>>>> conformed with the cabrillo specs provided by CQWW.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, again, the rules say one should NOT edit the file after the
>>> contest.
>>>> 
>>>> The choice was either NOT submit a log, or do this rather massive
>>>> editing by putting the local zone and the received signal report into
>>>> the cabrillo file.  We didn't make any "corrections" just added data
>>>> which was in the original log but did NOT show up when the programme
>>>> made a "so called" cabrillo file.  I figure that he might be
>>>> encouraged to see his call amongst the other folks in the CQ Writeup,
>>>> and we might have another contester amongst this seemingly dying breed
>>>> of US Hams.  I also encouraged him to try his logging software to make
>>>> sure it will do the correct cabrillo file prior to entering another
>>> context.
>>>> 
>>>> Comments will be appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> 72/73 de n8xx Hg
>>>> QRP >99.44% of the time
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