[CQ-Contest] Remote contest operation

[Bob Naumann]

Paul, 

Your objection to any use of the Internet or commercial telecomm facilities
in any ham radio activity is well known.  You've been grinding the same
flawed axe for years.

I'm sure we would agree, however, that the use of a remote receiver would be
completely unsportsmanlike as defined by many contest and award program
rules - including the CQWW. But, that is not what we're discussing here.

And, despite your persistence in continuing to grind that tired old axe,
none of what you're complaining about actually impacts the "RF" aspect of
the "amateur-band-RF-all-the-way contesting" you seek to protect.

In your preferred configuration, we have the traditional "base" or "home"
station configuration:

Operator -> [Interface stuff] -> {Radio -> Antenna -> Atmosphere}    
                                                        {      Amateur  RF
all the way          }

The Interface between operator and his radio consists of headphones,
microphones, keyers, computers and other devices.

In a remote operation, not one piece of the "amateur-band-RF-all-the-way"
portion changes in any way.

The diagram of a remote operation is precisely the same:

Operator -> [Interface stuff] -> {Radio -> Antenna -> Atmosphere}    
                                                        {      Amateur  RF
all the way          }

What changes? The Interface stuff between the Operator and the Radio is all
that changes.

In this case, the Interface now includes long wires, UHF or microwave links,
some digital telecomm facilities, and other stuff.  Again, none of this is
changing the "Amateur RF all the way" in any way.

So, your premise is completely without merit. 

If you feel that using technologies such as the Internet and others in the
Operator to Radio interface portion of the configuration, then let's discuss
that - but let's be honest that it does not alter the RF at all.

I don't see any tangible difference in using a 6' piece of wire between the
operator and the front of a radio or a 600 mile connection via a network.

Nothing on the front of the radio impacts what goes on at the back of the
radio. Again, all of the "RF all the way" stuff is not changed and certainly
not enhanced in any way.

Propagation does not change, noise does not get reduced, and frankly,
someone using an extended interface to their radio puts themselves at a
disadvantage to anyone not choosing to do so.

73,

Bob W5OV





-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Paul O'Kane
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:59 PM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote contest operation


Over the last few days, this thread has included
the terms listed below.

I don't recognise amateur radio contesting in
any of them.  Most are technical terms specific
to the internet, a public communications utility.
Whatever relevance the internet has to contesting
in general, in remote contest operation it serves
only to replace or displace amateur-band RF
between contesters.

Those who choose, or are obliged, to get on the
internet before they get on the air are doing
something fundamentally different from the rest
of us.  We're all entitled to do what we please,
but we're not entitled to do what we please and
call it what we please.  Internet-dependent
contesting is not the same as amateur-band-RF-
all-the-way contesting, even when the operators
at the far end can't tell the difference and
when contest sponsors ignore the difference.

Read, and despair :-)

   VPN
   packet-loss
   delay-spikes
   traffic prioritisation
   network path
   audio-streaming
   intermediate server
   restrictive ISPs
   peer-to-peer
   client download
   participating client
   firewall
   port restrictions
   server and client
   public IP
   VPS
   encrypted traffic
   packet inspection
   throttling
   dropped packets
   latency issues
   56mb download speeds
   routing
   incoming packets
   ADSL
   fail over to 3G
   Skype
   cyberworld
   jitter
   realtime audio over UDP
   4G LTE connection
   traffic shaping issues
   point-to-point microwave
   local service provider

73,
Paul EI5DI





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