[CQ-Contest] Summarizing the Skimmer Accuracy Thread

[Jeffrey Embry]

I have to say this thread is getting old.  If you don't want to use
RBN...DON'T.  If you do, then by all means do.  Above all have
fun...and if there is an error...then perhaps listening to make sure
is the best way to go before logging.

Again...the object for me is to have fun with my choice of tools...or
unassisted should I chose to do so.

HAVE FUN1

73es,

Jeff
K3OQ

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Bob Naumann <W5OV at w5ov.com> wrote:
> First of all, I suspect there are far more than 400 errors out of 1 million
> spots.  The % is definitely far higher than .04%.
>
> I did my time with this error-prone RBN by clearing the bad spots from the
> bandmap again and again this past weekend.
>
> I have no desire to invest more time in it to count them up now. (I
> downloaded the files, and they're too big  ~34meg total for both days).
>
> Second, why is everyone so defensive about this RBN?
>
> It makes many of the same errors over, and over, and over, and over!  Why
> defend it and pretend that it does not?
>
> It makes many repeated errors - this is a fact. I lived it. I know.
>
> The packet spotting network quality was better and it had less errors when
> the packet system was driven by human input only. I lived that too and I
> know.
>
> Sure, there were spot errors, but they did not happen over and over and over
> for the whole contest!
>
> Were things missed that the skimmer/RBN system does not?
>
> Of course - and that's not the point.
>
> The benefit of the skimmer/RBN is obvious.
>
> The problem is that there's way too much bad stuff that comes along with the
> good.
>
> Put some energy into fixing it instead of minimizing the problems!
>
> Please!
>
> W5OV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Guy
> Olinger K2AV
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:32 PM
> To: Michael Adams
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Summarizing the Skimmer Accuracy Thread
>
> Hmm.  A little attention to the math.  Looking at the spot counts in their
> analysis app, there's something in the magnitude of a million spots over
> the weekend.  400 errors through the process out of 1,000,000 spots is
> 0.04%.  Your city drinking water should be so good.
>
> And the RBN folks ARE actually working on ways to improve that 0.04%
>
> Leave 'em alone.  They're doing great.  And giving away the spots for free,
> a gift.
>
> 73,
> Guy, K2AV
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Michael Adams <mda at n1en.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 5:13 PM, <w5ov at w5ov.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > If the 20 EK1LZ spots were the only errors, that would not be so bad - I
>> > guess... but that's not the case.
>> >
>>
>> It's probably worth noting that in all 20 cases, the EK1LZ spots appear to
>> have been unique, coming from only one skimmer.  (Different skimmers at
>> different times, but only one at a time.)
>>
>> --
>> *Michael D. Adams* (N1EN)
>> Poquonock, Connecticut | mda at n1en.org
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