[CQ-Contest] Finally - self spotting has become a mute point!
Mike Reublin
nf4l at nf4l.com
Sat Feb 23 18:21:48 EST 2013
Some things are hard to bare.
Mike NF4L
On Feb 23, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Tod Olson <tod at k0to.us> wrote:
> If this thread were a 'mute' point we would not see it.
>
> I don't know when and where the thread started, but I am sure that the
> originator meant to write "moot" and not "mute" and somehow their spell
> checker 'improved' the text and substituted "mute" for the intended 'moot'.
>
> Such an error could only be made by a machine; real people would never allow
> that error to creep in.
>
> Tod, K0TO
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> On 2/22/13 7:54 PM, "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc at citlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Probably (or as the young kids now say) 'Prolly' for the same reason
>> locals would pick up the phone and call others to alert them about a new
>> one that was on the air. Of course, this was prior to packet radio. Then
>> there were the DX spotting voice repeaters, which gave way to the packet
>> system that could receive and collect 'spots' even while you were still
>> at work.
>>
>> Just a few days ago I was pining that I really missed the hand crank
>> when I came out and found the battery was dead in my car!
>>
>> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> On 2/22/2013 7:00 PM, Radio K0HB wrote:
>>> The bigger question is why would anyone spot anyone except themselves?
>>>
>>> Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
>>>
>>> 73, Hans, K0HB/4ID
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 21, 2013, Robert Chudek - K0RC wrote:
>>>
>>> It was about 3-1/2 years ago I asked the question below, on this
>>> reflector. The third full paragraph contains the core concept I
>>> was asking / proposing. It didn't take too long for the technology
>>> to 'change the game plan' once again! Yes, I'm gloating! Nyuk,
>>> nyuk, nyuk... :-)
>>>
>>> Regarding those people objecting that the RBN isn't delivering a
>>> pristine stream of data, my opinion is that the existing level of
>>> accuracy is more than adequate. For example, K3LR pops up on my
>>> bandmap and I work him. His call sign turns gray, letting me know
>>> I have already worked him.
>>>
>>> Five minutes later, EK3LR pops up on the bandmap. Funny thing is
>>> that EK3LR is sitting right on the same frequency as the K3LR I
>>> already worked. My eyes and brain tells me instantaneously it's a
>>> bust. I don't waste time removing it from the bandmap because I
>>> know it's going to pop back up there again anyway. Cleaning the
>>> bandmap is a waste of contesting time.
>>>
>>> Now if there was only a way to eliminate the clueless from
>>> pointing and clicking their way to the elusive EK3 multiplier and
>>> causing havoc on the K3LR run frequency. (Or substitute any of the
>>> other traditionally busted spots; BY vs. 6Y, 5K vs. HK, etc. Oh
>>> and MY personal favorite KØRF vs. KØRC.)
>>>
>>> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> / -----Original Message-----/
>>> / From: Robert Chudek - K0RC [mailto:k0rc at citlink.net]/
>>> / Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 02:18/
>>> / To: cq-contest at contesting.com/
>>> <http://cq-contest@contesting.com/>
>>> / Subject: [CQ-Contest] Self spotting rationale/
>>> / /
>>> / This isn't a rhetorical question./
>>> / /
>>> / How / why was the "no self spotting" rule created in the
>>> first place? Was/
>>> / it a knee-jerk reaction to the introduction of new
>>> technology at the time/
>>> / spotting networks began to flourish? What actual purpose
>>> does this rule/
>>> / serve? Whatever that purpose, is it outdated by technology?/
>>> / /
>>> / The use of the spotting networks automatically classifies a
>>> participant as/
>>> / "assisted" in the first place. To the non-assisted
>>> participants, why would/
>>> / they care whether stations were self-spotting or not? When
>>> I operate in/
>>> / the non-assisted category I don't care what is going on
>>> with the spotting/
>>> / network./
>>> / /
>>> / To the participants in the "assisted" category, why not let
>>> them spot/
>>> / their brains out? Other than saturating the spotting
>>> network I don't see a/
>>> / down-side to this. If an assisted station spotted
>>> themselves once every X/
>>> / minutes, many things would "fall into place."/
>>> / /
>>> / First, there would be fewer busted calls being spotted.
>>> Second, assisted/
>>> / operators would know which bands were being used by the
>>> self spotter (are/
>>> / they operating 10 meters right now or not?). Third, self
>>> spotting timers/
>>> / could evolve in contest software to spot on a predetermined
>>> schedule./
>>> / Fourth, David's spotting reports would not be necessary to
>>> see who was/
>>> / breaking the rules. Fifth, I wouldn't have to worry whether
>>> my call would/
>>> / appear on a report as "helping my team mates in our contest
>>> club" when I/
>>> / spot the members. (I have basically quit spotting anyone
>>> compared to the/
>>> / early days of the spotting network.)/
>>> / /
>>> / I can only imagine if Wal-Mart, Target, and K-Mart were not
>>> allowed to/
>>> / advertise their stores were open for business and what
>>> times you would/
>>> / find them open. I think the "no self spotting" rule is absurd./
>>> / /
>>> / 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
>>>
>>>
>>> /
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> "Just a boy and his radio"
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>>>
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