[CQ-Contest] Single Op/Get Scores Assisted

[KU7Y]

Seems to me that maybe what's needed is a rule that prohibits a SO 
Unassisted from having any internet connection.

After all, if you are in a contest as SO Unassisted, what the heck do you 
need the internet for?

OK, back in my hole,

Ron, KU7Y
SOWP 5545M
Arizona Outlaws Contest Club
Silver Springs, NV
ku7y at qsl.net
http://www.hatpinsandmore.com
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Stockton" <wa5rtg at gmail.com>
To: <w1ve at yccc.org>
Cc: <n2ic at arrl.net>; "CQ-Contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: 25 February, 2013 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Single Op/Get Scores Assisted


> It doesn't matter if all the single ops leave off the band breakdowns. 
> The same opening notifications and more will be available by looking at 
> the multi-operator categories - particularly M/M.
>
> As it grows the number of instances of call sign fills for the guys you 
> couldn't quite copy on 160 will become more prevalent....and using all 
> that information is now allowed.
>
> Get Scores will tell you however often it is chosen to update on what band 
> a particular station is running.  There are no frequencies shown and that 
> has been determined to be OK. How about adding all the stations from RBN 
> calling CQ but without frequencies (just bands) shown?  Not a lot 
> different than what you would have if everyone signed up for Get Scores.
>
> Let's face the facts. You need to be on the Internet and take advantage of 
> any and all internet assistance that is now allowed to maximize your 
> success in a single operator, "unassisted" entry. Someone who does not 
> have a computer connected to the Internet does not have all the possible 
> advantages of someone who does have that connection in an unassisted 
> entry.
>
> 73...Stan, K5GO
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 24, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Gerry Hull <gerry at yccc.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I do see your point.   The "player" remark was unfortunate... I can see 
>> in
>> these situations where it could make a difference.
>> So -- that's why you guys don't post.   However, you could post, 
>> motivating
>> others, by posting score not breakdown.  That is totally feasible.
>> That way, in your instance N2IC would see K5GN's score going up, but have
>> no idea why.
>>
>> When K5ZD posts, he always masks his breakdown.
>>
>> Perhaps you would consider posting your score if the site automatically
>> masked the breakdown of SO stations?
>>
>> Food for thought...
>>
>> I'm off to 8P in the morning... play more radio than internet.
>>
>> 73. Gerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Gerry Hull<gerry at yccc.org>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Getscores has been up for more than five years, and the Russian site 
>>>>> has
>>>>> been up for a year or so.  No contesting authority has made any
>>>>> restriction
>>>>> against the sites, and I don't think they will.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are using the score posting site to make decisions about what 
>>>>> to
>>>>> do
>>>>> in a contest, you are not a player at all.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Gerry, I don't know how to interpret this statement.
>>>
>>> There is no doubt that the score posting system could provide valuable
>>> information to the single-op, unassisted, serious competitor. Last
>>> weekend's ARRL DX CW is a perfect example. N2IC(/5) and K5GN were both 
>>> SOAB
>>> HP, vying for the top spot in W5, and top-10 national positions. Neither 
>>> of
>>> us posted to, or watched the score posting sites, even though there is
>>> nothing in the rules to stop us. However, for the sake of discussion, 
>>> let's
>>> say K5GN posted his score, with band breakdowns, and N2IC was observing 
>>> the
>>> score posting site. During the actual contest, K5GN did indeed catch 
>>> good
>>> European openings on 20 meters during the wee hours of the morning, both
>>> mornings. N2IC did not, and in fact, didn't look for those openings. 
>>> K5GN
>>> made many more 20 meter QSO's, and finished ahead of N2IC. If N2IC 
>>> could,
>>> at a glance, see that K5GN was suddenly piling on 20 meter QSO's at 
>>> strange
>>> times of the day, do you think he would react to that information ? 
>>> Would
>>> he still be a "player" ? Would he still be unassisted ?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Steve, N2IC
>>>
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