[CQ-Contest] Single Op/Get Scores Assisted

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

How do you enforce this? Prove it etc.

Mike W0MU

On 2/25/2013 6:41 AM, KU7Y wrote:
> Seems to me that maybe what's needed is a rule that prohibits a SO 
> Unassisted from having any internet connection.
>
> After all, if you are in a contest as SO Unassisted, what the heck do 
> you need the internet for?
>
> OK, back in my hole,
>
> Ron, KU7Y
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Stockton" <wa5rtg at gmail.com>
> To: <w1ve at yccc.org>
> Cc: <n2ic at arrl.net>; "CQ-Contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: 25 February, 2013 4:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Single Op/Get Scores Assisted
>
>
>> It doesn't matter if all the single ops leave off the band 
>> breakdowns. The same opening notifications and more will be available 
>> by looking at the multi-operator categories - particularly M/M.
>>
>> As it grows the number of instances of call sign fills for the guys 
>> you couldn't quite copy on 160 will become more prevalent....and 
>> using all that information is now allowed.
>>
>> Get Scores will tell you however often it is chosen to update on what 
>> band a particular station is running.  There are no frequencies shown 
>> and that has been determined to be OK. How about adding all the 
>> stations from RBN calling CQ but without frequencies (just bands) 
>> shown?  Not a lot different than what you would have if everyone 
>> signed up for Get Scores.
>>
>> Let's face the facts. You need to be on the Internet and take 
>> advantage of any and all internet assistance that is now allowed to 
>> maximize your success in a single operator, "unassisted" entry. 
>> Someone who does not have a computer connected to the Internet does 
>> not have all the possible advantages of someone who does have that 
>> connection in an unassisted entry.
>>
>> 73...Stan, K5GO
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Gerry Hull <gerry at yccc.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> I do see your point.   The "player" remark was unfortunate... I can 
>>> see in
>>> these situations where it could make a difference.
>>> So -- that's why you guys don't post.   However, you could post, 
>>> motivating
>>> others, by posting score not breakdown.  That is totally feasible.
>>> That way, in your instance N2IC would see K5GN's score going up, but 
>>> have
>>> no idea why.
>>>
>>> When K5ZD posts, he always masks his breakdown.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you would consider posting your score if the site automatically
>>> masked the breakdown of SO stations?
>>>
>>> Food for thought...
>>>
>>> I'm off to 8P in the morning... play more radio than internet.
>>>
>>> 73. Gerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Gerry Hull<gerry at yccc.org>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Getscores has been up for more than five years, and the Russian 
>>>>>> site has
>>>>>> been up for a year or so.  No contesting authority has made any
>>>>>> restriction
>>>>>> against the sites, and I don't think they will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are using the score posting site to make decisions about 
>>>>>> what to
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> in a contest, you are not a player at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Gerry, I don't know how to interpret this statement.
>>>>
>>>> There is no doubt that the score posting system could provide valuable
>>>> information to the single-op, unassisted, serious competitor. Last
>>>> weekend's ARRL DX CW is a perfect example. N2IC(/5) and K5GN were 
>>>> both SOAB
>>>> HP, vying for the top spot in W5, and top-10 national positions. 
>>>> Neither of
>>>> us posted to, or watched the score posting sites, even though there is
>>>> nothing in the rules to stop us. However, for the sake of 
>>>> discussion, let's
>>>> say K5GN posted his score, with band breakdowns, and N2IC was 
>>>> observing the
>>>> score posting site. During the actual contest, K5GN did indeed 
>>>> catch good
>>>> European openings on 20 meters during the wee hours of the morning, 
>>>> both
>>>> mornings. N2IC did not, and in fact, didn't look for those 
>>>> openings. K5GN
>>>> made many more 20 meter QSO's, and finished ahead of N2IC. If N2IC 
>>>> could,
>>>> at a glance, see that K5GN was suddenly piling on 20 meter QSO's at 
>>>> strange
>>>> times of the day, do you think he would react to that information ? 
>>>> Would
>>>> he still be a "player" ? Would he still be unassisted ?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Steve, N2IC
>>>>
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