[CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted

[Kerr, Prof. K.M.]

Randy,
I'd like to believe that you mean 'embracing' the new technology means adopting SO(A) categories into contests. This surely means Assistance is already accepted, if that is how you want to operate.

But PLEASE, PLEASE do not ruin CQWW contests (like others are) by removing the unassisted categories. After all, a clear majority of SO CQWWSSB entrants DID NOT opt for that assistance of other operators or spotting technology. Any ambiguity in a statement from 'Contest Central' will be seized upon!

Best wishes,

Keith GM4YXI (GM5X)







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From: CQ-Contest [cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Randy Thompson K5ZD [k5zd at charter.net]
Sent: 26 January 2013 12:40
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted

In many ways they (single ops) compete with them (assisted) now.  Both are
chasing the same contacts on the same bands.  True, some people will always
enjoy doing things the "classic" way.  But, the reality is that ham radio is
constantly changing.

In CQWW SSB 2012 there were 7321 single operator entries. 2460 (33%) of them
were in the assisted category.  Looking through the scores, there are very
few places where the top assisted score in an area beats the top single op.

Most contests outside of ARRL and CQ do not distinguish between assisted and
not.  Most RTTY contests do not. People seem to have plenty of fun in those
contests.

Even with all single ops in one category, each person has the option to
operate however they wish.  My original point was that ham radio in the last
15 years has embraced the DX Cluster as a normal tool for DXing and
operating.  Perhaps contesting should start to accept that.

Randy, K5ZD

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim Jordan
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:10 AM
> To: Radio K0HB
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted
>
> 100% agree, Hans. Anyone who has never enjoyed the thrill of finding his
> own contacts without assistance has never experienced real operating.
> Fishermen catching their own shouldn't have to compete with those
> shooting fish in a barrel.
>
> 73,
>
> Jim, K4QPL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb at gmail.com>
> To: <k5zd at charter.net>
> Cc: "Pete Smith N4ZR" <n4zr at contesting.com>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted
>
>
> > Sorry Randy, but "pure" SO should NOT be required to compete with
> assisted
> > operators.  There is no logical reason to require it.
> >
> > There is a large community of good contesters who wish to compete with
> > their non-assisted peers, not with those who use outside assistance.
> >
> > Why does this stupid idea keep rising out of the mud?
> >
> > 73, de Hans, K0HB/K7
> >
> > On Friday, January 25, 2013, Randy Thompson K5ZD wrote:
> >
> >> For these contests where there is no assisted category, instead of
> making
> >> yet another category, why not just allow single ops to use
> assistance?!
> >>
> >> Anyone licensed in the last 15 years has never experienced life
> without
> >> the
> >> DX Cluster.  Perhaps it is time to accept this as it is - the new
> normal.
> >>
> >> Randy, K5ZD
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: CQ-Contest
> >> > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com<javascript:;>]
> >> On Behalf Of
> >> > Pete Smith N4ZR
> >> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:32 PM
> >> > To: cq-contest at contesting.com <javascript:;>
> >> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted
> >> >
> >> > What Rich says is correct.  I would just add that the ARRL 10 and
> 160
> >> > contests are severely anachronistic in this respect.  Nobody is
> >> > suggesting that assistance be allowed for "pure" single-ops, but
> surely
> >> > there should be a SOA category in these contests. That there is not
> >> > dates
> >> > back to the earliest days of DX clusters.  To my knowledge, nobody
> has
> >> > advanced a reason for keeping the status quo.
> >> >
> >> > I have been in correspondence with the CAC and various directors
> about
> >> > this, and one told me that action might be taken in the January ARRL
> >> > Board meeting, which has just taken place.  Why it requires a
> decision
> >> > at
> >> > that level is beyond me, but that's what we have.  Now waiting for
> >> > detailed minutes to learn what, if anything, was done.
> >> >
> >> > 73, Pete N4ZR
> >> > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
> >> > http://reversebeacon.net,
> >> > blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
> >> > For spots, please go to your favorite
> >> > ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
> >> >
> >> > On 1/25/2013 8:51 AM, Richard DiDonna NN3W wrote:
> >> > > Usually if it says nothing, the assumption is that you must
> classify
> >> > yourself as multi-single as the single operator rules have language
> >> > about
> >> > the -operator- doing all of the activity.
> >> > >
> >> > > ARRL 160 and ARRL 10 do not have separate assisted categories -
> >> > necessitating that assisted ops enter as multi single entries.
> >> > >
> >> > > 73 Rich NN3W
> >> > >
> >> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Reply message -----
> >> > > From: Ktfrog007 at aol.com <javascript:;>
> >> > > Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:30 am
> >> > > Subject: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted
> >> > > To: <cq-contest at contesting.com <javascript:;>>
> >> > >
> >> > > If a contest's rules say nothing about Assisted operation, does
> that
> >> > > mean it's allowed without restriction?
> >> > >
> >> > > Note that Single-Op has no uniform definition.  For example, in
> the
> >> > > ARRL RTTY Roundup, Single-Ops cannot be Assisted, while in the CQ
> WPX
> >> > > RTTY everyone can operate Assisted.
> >> > >
> >> > > 73,
> >> > > Kermit (Ken) AB1J
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