[CQ-Contest] How many pins may dance???

Wed Jul 10 09:35:28 EDT 2013

Hi Hank,

Definitely I agree with you, this issue has been fixed from several years from software developers that didn't check the HQ call sign to qualify the multiplier  
but use the sended exchange , so no matter which call sign had sended it. 

Allowing multiply HQ call sign on same band / mode, strictly only one by mode at same time, accommodate national telecomm limitation, and allow to optimize
the distribution of the station during the contest. There is a unfair discrimination between Countries that can have National HQ Callsign and Countries that can't  
have it, because during the Contest the Countries with National Callsign, can switch bands, between stations, that are spread out over the country, the get 
advantage of the location, adding one more bullets in their gun. 

And to be honestly, due the fact that the HQ stations are most a representative of the IARU members Country, i think that suggesting that the QSO point of HQ station
didn't follow the Rules 1/3/5 points, but 1 point per QSO is more fair. Now there is no chance, for small HQ to be competitive in high density HQ area with few ITU
zones ( typically all Europe is included into 4   ITU zone ( 27, 28, 37,18 ), with at least 28 HQ station in the last year ) , because some HQ are in  ITU Zone with few
Countries that had more advantage due the 3 Point rules between different ITU Zone. There is not a real Competition between HQ, no prize , only a Certificate of
participation, so leave all the HQ at the same level, no advantage of scores due cross iTU zone points rules, simply who is able to setup the better station in it's
Country, who can take advantage of the propagation on his Country will be the first, this is a festival of the IARU member Society and for this the HQ station, didn't
need advantages, to be on air ! 

Otherwise for this year the rules can't change, and the committee need to take care about that, and as u suggest the plans to change and tune the rules need to be  take
in charge in the next IARU Committee meeting.

73 de Fabio I4UFH  on IR4T / D4C

Il giorno 10/lug/2013, alle ore 13:30, Hank Greeb <n8xx at arrl.org> ha scritto:

> So, I gather when the rules are against National Regulations or Laws, we encourage folks to break the law or use secondary level stations rather than changing the rules?
> 
> Is NOT a rule which says "one multiplier per IARU affiliated National Organization"sufficient?  Why can the rules NOT be changed to accommodate several (multiple, for tha matter) calls each, like IO4HQ and IO1HQ both on 160 SSB, for example but stating 599 ARI as the exchange?  Dothe organizers believe that this would confuse the participants? Why? The rules specifically state that there is only one multiplier per band from each IARU Affilate in a country?
> 
> Methinks the rules committee, were not thinking internationally aboutrules in othercountries which are different from FCC rules.
> 
> As for disqualifying, mentioned in another message, IF some "high and mighty" person or group were to actually do this, they'd need to sift through past years' entries and disqualify the national socieities who followed their nations' laws but violated the ill-conceived rules of this contest.
> 
> Let a sleeping dawg lie.  This has apparently been happening for several years, so overlook it one more year.  Change the rules next year, and stop arguing about how many pins may dance on the head of an angel.
> 
> 72/73 de n8xx Hg
> QRP >99.44% of the time
> 
> On 7/9/2013 4:23 PM, cq-contest-request at contesting.com wrote:
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:49:02 +0100 (BST)
>> From: "Bob I.2.WIJ" <i2wij at yahoo.com>
>> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] IARU HQ Callsigns
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>> 
>> Hi Tree and all,
>> 
>> since dear friend Jesus has difficult to type the? name of Italy and ARI, I do for him.
>> 
>> ARI like our Japanese friends of JARL is "violating" the 4.3.3. rule since many years and we also have never been notified. In Italy we have restrictions in callsign assignement and we have to strictly be compliant with Call Areas. This is the list of the Station Callsign we will use in the next IARU HF Championship
>> 
>> 160 CW IO4HQ
>> 160SSB IO4HQ
>> 80 CW IO1HQ
>> 80SSB IO4HQ
>> 40 CW IO1HQ
>> 40SSB IO4HQ
>> 20 CW IO5HQ
>> 20SSB IO1HQ
>> 15 CW IO9HQ
>> 15SSB IO8HQ
>> 10 CW IO9HQ
>> 10SSB IO9HQ
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe it is time to rethink that rule which intent has nothing to do with the multiplier count.
>> 
>> I wish a very good contest to all and have fun!
>> ?73
>> --
>> Bob, I2WIJ
>> A.R.I. HF Contest Manager?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> Da: Bob I.2.WIJ <i2wij at yahoo.com>
>>> A: Roberto Soro <i2wij at yahoo.com>
>>> Inviato: Marted? 9 Luglio 2013 15:35
>>> 
>>> 
>>> you are right dear Tree. Is being breached a basic rule of the contest, other HQs in EU are failing this rule.  You must use the same call in a band and TWO MODES (SSB/CW). Greetings. 73 de Jesus EC1KR
>>> Organizer HQ EA IARU 2013
>>> 
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] En nombre de Tree
>>> Enviado el: martes, 09 de julio de 2013 4:21
>>> Para: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>> Asunto: [CQ-Contest] IARU HQ Callsigns Saw this recently posted:
>>> 
>>> The Radio Club Argentino LU4AA and the LUCG (LU Contest Group) put together
>>> a team for the upcoming IARU HF Championship next weekend and several >stations will be giving out the RCA multiplier. > >Stations as follows - hosts in parenthesis - : > >10 SSB: LR1D >10 CW LR2H >15 SSB LR0H >15 CW LR0F ... This appears to conflict with the following rule for the IARU contest: "4.3.3. Only one HQ station callsign per member society per frequency band is permitted." The rules can be found here: http://www.arrl.org/iaru-hf-championship I would interpret a "frequency band" as being all of 10 meters for example. This is likely the case because of the way the multiplier rule is worded: "Multipliers: The total number of ITU zones plus IARU member society HQ
>>> stations worked on each band (not mode)." In the case above - I am sure the intent of the rules would not have been
>>> to count LR1D and LR2H as two multpliers in the contest.   Tree N6TR
>>> 
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