[CQ-Contest] Remote

Thu Jun 20 09:54:37 EDT 2013

Steef,

Most of the remote operations I know about are like this:

An operator who, for a variety of reasons (homeowners' association, antenna
restrictions, lot size, apartment dweller, lives in a deep ravine, etc.)
wants to play in contests from home but can't. Or, travels a lot for
business and wants to play radio from away.

So he or she extends their microphone cables, key lines and control cables
from a radio site to their location, be it their home or hotel room.

All of the RF equipment is within the typical 500-meter radius, the only
thing that isn't is the operator. Your signal travels to his receiver the
way it always did and his signal travels from his transmitter to your
receiver the way it always did. The only difference is the demodulated data
(voice, cw, rtty, etc.) then travels an extra distance to the operator.

While it's impossible to protect against the rule violation you cite, it's
no more and no less impossible than guarding against excessive power, SO
really being single, passive watching of packet, having qrz.com running in
the background to double-check callsigns or exchange information and any
other of the many rules for which the 'honor system' is the only enforcement
tool available.

Nor is it any more possible to guard against that than it is currently to
know if someone is using a remote receiver now, even if they aren't running
remote.

For most of the remote operations I know about, it's nothing more sinister
than an operator being able to enjoy radio that he couldn't otherwise enjoy.

There are guys who spend huge amounts of money to build potentially winning
stations. That's their prerogative. At the end of the day, this is nothing
more than a hobby. A diversion. Something to enjoy. A guy spending a hundred
grand on a station may change that for him, but it doesn't change that for
the rest of us.

If a guy operating remote, legally (RF within the 500-metre radius), wins a
contest, bully for him! It would take a fair degree of technical skill to
build such a beast, a fair degree of operating ability to overcome the
limitations of operating remote and, most of all, he is no better off but
probably a bit worse off than if he was at the RF site in person.

73, kelly
ve4xt

On 6/20/13 2:01 AM, "Steef" <steefpa3s at gmail.com> wrote:

> @ N5IA  ->  +1
> 
> 
> Maybe, just maybe, is has the feeling that remote antenna¹s all over the
> world are not far away from remote operating? There are plenty of websdr
> antenna systems around, and using them seems quit obvious when you are
> remote operating true the internet.
> 
> Also, I don¹t think that it is reasonable that someone is able to operate
> remote from a different rare DXCC, wile sitting at home in lets say The
> Netherlands. Because there is no way of knowing if he or se is only using
> the antennas at the rare DX. And this is maybe an example how you get in
> the ³gray zone² with remote operating.
> 
> Still, I am always in favorite of further developments. We have to keep up!
> Otherwise we will become extinct :-)
> 
> Maybe it is time that al top competitors have webcams, live stream, signal
> readers just before the antennas giving real-time information on power and
> splatter to the contest comity. And all the other technology I don¹t know
> of.
> 
> Or we may also try to just have funŠŠ
> 
> Please excuse my English.
> 
> 73
> 
> Steef PA3S
> 
> www.contestgroup.nl
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2013/6/19 Milt -- N5IA <n5ia at zia-connection.com>
> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> It is impossible to reason with anyone who does not have a semblance of
>> common sense.
>> 
>> They are so wrapped up in their tiny ball of me, myself and I, that they
>> are incapable of looking at the whole picture and applying the same
>> criteria to all facets of the hobby.
>> 
>> It really does smack me up the side of the face to know that the nearly 40
>> years I have dedicated to the repeater and remote base facet of 'ham radio'
>> have been all for naught because it is not 'ham radio communication'.
>> 
>> Yep, to apply their criteria moon bounce 'ham radio communication' is not
>> amateur radio because the moon was not installed by amateurs; nor do
>> amateur constructed satellites provide 'ham radio communications' because
>> hams did not construct and launch the rockets propelling the satellites to
>> orbit. And don't you dare make that keying line or microphone cable longer
>> than 6 feet; or heaven forbid long enough to allow you to 'REMOTE CONTROL'
>> your shack mounted transceiver from the luxury of the recliner in the
>> family room or living room.  Because that just isn't 'ham radio
>> communication' if you can't see the dial and touch the knobs.
>> 
>> Freedom of expression and speech is a God given right while the use of
>> that right to belittle another person for their exercise of the same right
>> is NOT a right.
>> 
>> The end requirement is the understanding that LIFE ISN'T FAIR, and never
>> will be.  Human beings are individuals with the God given ability to think
>> for themselves, reason with the best knowledge they have attained in life,
>> and make decisions for what they perceive as their best interest.  But they
>> do NOT have a right to infringe on the same right of their fellow beings.
>> 
>> To all, express your opinion and the reasons you believe so, but don't
>> beat the other person over the head because he doesn't agree with you.
>> 
>> Mis dos centavos.  73 de
>> 
>> Milt, N5IA
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: W0MU Mike Fatchett
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:03 AM
>> 
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote
>> 
>> So where your butt sits determines if it is ham radio?
>> 
>> I really don't understand those that want to limit the participation in
>> contests.  Are we not better off with more people contesting than less?
>> I think so.  Running remote places most at a disadvantage.    What is it
>> about remote operation that scares you?
>> 
>> What if I can't drive myself to the station because I am recovering from
>> an illness or a myriad of other reasons.  Under your rules I am out of
>> luck.
>> 
>> Remote operating is going to open the world of HF and contesting to many
>> that have never had that option before.
>> 
>> Repeaters is not Ham Radio and to think I thought I had heard it all.
>> 
>> Mike W0MU
>> 
>> On 6/19/2013 8:59 AM, PA5MW, Mark wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry Tom,
>>> 
>>> But 'the opponents' are not amused by being accused of being jealous or
>>> anything like that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Again, for the record; I very much respect all the work and effort done
>>> for enabling a remote HF station.
>>> I understand what it serves, especially for those who during the week
>>> suffer from a small lot, hampered by noise, antena restrictions etc..etc..
>>> I would do the same. But for the HF contest weekend: get your butt over
>>> there and put it in the seat.
>>> 
>>> Funny(not) that *our* opponents have a hard time accepting that other
>>> people think different and share their opinion.
>>> 
>>> 73 Mark, PA5MW
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18-6-2013 21:10, N1MM wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The opponents don't want some well-heeled guy buying an oceanfront lot,
>>>> building a big contest station and beating the locals. People don't like
>>>> carpetbaggers.  That's about it.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Tom - N1MM
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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