[CQ-Contest] Two points for intra-NA QSOs in CQWW?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

We've been over this before.

Strictly speaking, my station location or contact information for a given
contest entry does not necessarily match my legal address with the FCC; some
use a PO Box or other type of mail drop, which may not be where they
operated from.

I have seen contest entry forms request information such as telephone
numbers, email addresses, in some cases where it is relevant, even birth
dates.  Information that is not collected by the FCC, and information that
may not necessarily be in the "public" domain.

But enough.  I'm not rehashing this with you again Bob.  Clearly we don't
agree on this point.  

That all aside... the link that Steve provided earlier was not to a CQ
contest-related site, but to another site all together.  That doesn't bother
you at all, that open logs & related data are being copied and used on other
sites for purposes beyond the control of the contest committees or sponsors?


Well, sorry.  As I said earlier... I might be wrong.  I don't pretend to
have all the answers.  But I firmly believe that mandatory Open Logs are
wrong.  And examples like the one shown by this little revelation only
reinforce that belief.

73

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Naumann [mailto:W5OV at W5OV.COM] 
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:18 PM
To: 'Ron Notarius W3WN'; n2ic at arrl.net; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Two points for intra-NA QSOs in CQWW?

Ron,

The place you lose me is when you claim that a contest log contains
"personal or private information".

I just don't follow this logic at all.

What "specific personal information" would otherwise be in a submitted log?

Your name and address?  That's already public information, so that can't be
it.

>From looking at way too many of these log files, I have never seen anything
personal in nature divulged in a log, nor is there any requirement to do so
by any contest sponsor.

W5OV

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Notarius W3WN
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:55 AM
To: n2ic at arrl.net; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Two points for intra-NA QSOs in CQWW?

Strictly speaking, that is not my log.  That is a synthesis of what the
computer "thinks" is my log, based on other submitted entries.  

And, at least technically, specific personal information that would be in my
submitted log is not included in this synthesis.

The broader point is that this demonstrates exactly what I've been talking
about.  It is bad enough that, in general, our rights to privacy and
confidentiality in personal matters is getting more eroded every day.  And
it is unfortunate, to say the least, that others (wittingly or unwittingly)
have conceded their rights, for what they are told is the 'greater good' --
sometimes it is, but sometimes it's not.

This demonstrates that there are those who have few if any reservations
about making public others personal or private information... and then using
it against the wishes of those individuals.

Regardless... I know that I'm wasting my time discussing this with the
majority who are active on this forum.  It is contrary to many opinions, and
to many others, they are tired of hearing it.  So be it.  

But I am disappointed, to say the least, that you expect me to abandon my
principles because someone else lacks scruples.

I may be wrong.  But I am not intentionally a hypocrite.

73

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Steve London
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:35 AM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Two points for intra-NA QSOs in CQWW?

Ron,

IIRC, the primary reason you stopped submitting logs is because you 
objected to the logs becoming "public", viewable by anyone.

Well, you can start submitting logs again, because despite your best 
effort, your log is public, anyway. See 
http://rate.pileup.ru/vlog.php?call=W3WN .

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 03/09/2013 05:09 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
> I see.  Thanks Barry.
>
> There are those of use who operate in the contest, but do not submit logs
> for any of a variety of reasons.
>
> I guess our opinions aren't important then.
>
> Pity.  This used to be one of my favorite contests, too.
>
> 73
>
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