[CQ-Contest] WPX CW

Jim Jordan, K4QPL k4qpl at nc.rr.com
Thu May 30 12:51:12 EDT 2013 

I generally operate LP or even QRP. It's not often that I find someone 
deliberately trying to take over even my less than rock crusher run 
frequency. More often than not a) both of us were running on the same 
frequency and propagation changes so we merge. (Happens all the time on 80M 
at night; b) Stations don't hear each other but callers do; c) because my 
signal is weak they assume theirs is also and it won't interfere d) He's 
actually 150 Hz off my frequency with rx DSP and roofing filters squeezed. 
That doesn't bother me too much on crowded bands. Unfortunately, callers 
using spots or poor technique don't always call on frequency which is why 
most of the time when running we widen the passband beyond what is really 
necessary with a good receiver.

For all the above plus the ones who know they're bullying me, I summon up 
all my limited pile-up copying ability and do my best to just keep on 
working my callers. Unlike road traffic, there are no bent fenders for 
refusing to yield. Nothing drives 'em nuts more than finding they aren't 
successful and often they'll move on. As a last resort against the obvious 
800 kg gorilla, when I surrender, I might respond to his CQ on "my" 
frequency, but surprise, surprise, that QSO sometimes just doesn't make it 
into my log. (Possibly it's a glitch caused by me having to switch from run 
to S&P and I'm very sorry that he may get a 3x NIL penalty for that. Maybe 
when he sees the LCR it will ring a bell.)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Bookout" <steve at nr4m.com>
To: "Dale Putnam" <daleputnam at hotmail.com>
Cc: "Peter Voelpel" <dj7ww at t-online.de>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WPX CW


> All,
>
> There are always going be situations that will be unique.  Like I stated, 
> and I think others have similarly written, 'stuff' happens.
>
> I believe that almost all stns that wind up in a bad situation, don't get 
> there because of any bad intent by either stn.  That is contesting.
>
> But, there are stns, and stn owners, that believe this type of on-the-air 
> bullying is legitimate contest strategy.
>
> Anyone of us can think of many, many top grade stns and operators, current 
> and past, whose contest operating ethics were never in question.  So, why 
> have to put up with the arrogant, poorly mannered, few?
>
> Like I wrote to someone privately, this thread should be a wake-up call to 
> those with poor operating ethics, that they need to do things differently, 
> to at least the point where their tactics are defendable.
> Right now, in my opinion ( and, we all have our own) there is no plausible 
> defense for what I have, personally, been seeing from a couple of stns.
>
> 73 de Steve, NR4M
>
>
>
> On May 30, 2013, at 9:05, Dale Putnam <daleputnam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So.. is that deliberate interference? Created, designed and accomplished 
>> by the operator?
>>
>> Have a great day,
>>
>>
>> --...   ...--
>> Dale - WC7S in Wy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: dj7ww at t-online.de
>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 13:40:55 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WPX CW
>>>
>>> It always happens when multiple antenna directions are used by the big 
>>> gun
>>> stations on tx and a single antenna direction on rx.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Mats Strandberg
>>> Sent: Donnerstag, 30. Mai 2013 06:08
>>> To: k5zd at charter.net
>>> Cc: Steve Bookout; cq-contest at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WPX CW
>>>
>>> This is a very important point.
>>>
>>> I am myself not better than others. I was "jumped on" by a few Aligator 
>>> big
>>> guns, with signal strenghts of around 559-579 on 20 meters. I do not 
>>> think
>>> they intentionally wanted to steaa my frequency (20 meter CW, me using 
>>> 800
>>> W), but more a simple issue that the difference in power  between us 
>>> made
>>> them not hear my 800 W "QRP" signals...
>>>
>>> I feel tempted to address this openly on the forum with call signs, 
>>> because
>>> this is a SYSTEM more than an unlucky coincidence.I now begin to 
>>> understand
>>> which stations run more and which run less than Full Legal Limit. Anyone
>>> else noticed ths same phenomena?
>>>
>>> But still I am gathering "courage" and as close to 100% statistical 
>>> evidence
>>> that my assumptions are correct.
>>>
>>> The same intereting issue is that some stations seem to have extremely
>>> "noicy" RX conditions - always. With such signal strenghts as described
>>> above, I still always (no exceptions) need to repeat my call and serial
>>> numbers many times, while this is not the case when calling weak US big 
>>> guns
>>> during poor conditions when signal strengths are 519-539.
>>>
>>> In 95% of the cases, US and Canadian stations are still able to get both 
>>> my
>>> call and serial numbers just sent one.
>>>
>>> Interesting difference between US and European (and other) big guns...
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 de RM2D (Mats)
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/5/30 Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd at charter.net>
>>>
>>>> They will be "held accountable" when people are willing to name calls
>>>> in these public complaints...
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Steve Bookout
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:29 PM
>>>>> To: Cqtestk4xs at aol.com
>>>>> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WPX CW
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we know, sometimes 'stuff' happens when changing rcvr filters,
>>>>> RIT or changing antennas.  These bad situations shouldn't really
>>>>> last longer than it takes to flip a switch or spin the dial.
>>>>> Sometimes neither station feels THEY should be the one to move.  Like 
>>>>> I
>>> said 'stuff'
>>>>> happens and this is contesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> This becomes a problem, WHEN THE SAME STATION, time after time,
>>>>> contest after contest, drops on top of you and starts CQ'ing.
>>>>>
>>>>> People, +\- 100 Hz is not a clear frequency!
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a couple of stations that are infamous for this. When will
>>>>> they be held accountable for their arrogance and poor operating 
>>>>> ethics?
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 de Steve, NR4M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2013, at 7:28, Cqtestk4xs at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My favorite is a certain zone 8 station that called me on my
>>>>>> frequency and then after he worked me, began to call CQ 100Hz away
>>>>>> from my run freq. It took a  couple of minutes to pry him off me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill K4XS/KH7XS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 5/29/2013 10:48:23 A.M. Coordinated Universal
>>>>>> Tim, g4odv at yahoo.co.uk writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello  Jesus,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am truly sorry to have caused you this concern, I should have
>>>>>> said that it was a remarkable  coincidence that you landed on my
>>>>>> qrg, which did happen 3 or 4 times . I really should have put that
>>>>>> in a better way  or preferably not mentioned it at all. Please
>>>>>> accept my
>>>>> public  apologies..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73  Bria
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: EC1KR Jesus  <ec1kr at ec1kr.com>
>>>>>> To: g4odv at yahoo.co.uk
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 May  2013, 17:24
>>>>>> Subject: WPX CW
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Brian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just  read your comments at 3830scores  about
>>>>>> us:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------
>>>>>> On the other hand it  was remarkable the number of times ED1R
>>>>>> chose to land on my qrg. He was  weak and I am not saying he was
>>>>>> hearing me but I was hearing his callers  who were busting up the
>>>>>> esp numbers I was trying to  get..
>>>>>> --------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we were weak there perhaps  we did not hear you at all as you
>>>>>> are off the back or off the side of our  beams. Also we set very
>>>>>> narrow filtering. Elementary it is not our  intention to make
>>>>>> delibetate QRM and we always play within the contest  rules.
>>>>>> Nevertheless we apologize for the trouble. Next time please do not
>>>>>> hesitate to turn your antenna and ask for QSY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We do not seek  controversy, but understands that is a Contest
>>>>>> with a very bad propagation  conditions where punishment not we
>>>>>> heard each other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A  greeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73 de Jesus EC1KR / ED1R
>>>>>> Blog.    www.ec1kr.com
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