[CQ-Contest] Running ID

Fri Nov 1 17:57:46 EDT 2013

You are so right Marteen.
Telling people:"...if you don't know who he is, just move on and don't call
him...", is like saying: "...if you are not using dx alerting assistance,
then you are a second class citizen, so lay back and wait (for I don't know
how long) till his Highness of egos thinks you have enough dignity to know
his callsign..."
Actually, also people using packet, if they are lid enough, will call in
blind, log the unknown and leave. But they still have more information than
the rest and they risk on their own to log a QSO with somebody they really
don't know for sure who he is.
Plain SOs dont' have a clue about who the rare King Lid not IDing is ( I
can really say some of them are real big lids. Even though they rack up big
scores, their CW copying skills suck big time).
I´ve been asked to give examples to confirm what I said in my first email
and so I did. I even sent a link to a recording where you can hear one of
these lids not IDing for over five minutes in a row.
Apparently nothing can be done. That's the official word.

Relax and have fun. It's just a game...or so they say.

73.
Martin, LU5DX

P.S.I remember a recording of PJ4T (LU1FAM at the mike) 330+ Qs/hour and he
said Papa Japan Four Tango after every single QSO. There is also a video of
RC0F working at a high rate on SSB IDing every 2-3 QSos tops.  D4C, CN3A,
P33W, PJ2T and many others ID frequently enough. So there is no excuse or
valid argument for the other lids not to ID for 3, 5 or even 10 minutes. It
simply is pure: "I don't give a damn, I just want that $75 plaque". Nothing
more than that.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Maarten van Rossum
<pd2r.maarten at gmail.com>wrote:

> We are not located in some exotic place in the world and I do not know
> what you guys consider "high" rates but I was running 240 Q's per hour and
> I ID after almost every Q. Sometimes just by saying "P I 4 D X" instead of
> "Papa India Four Delta Xray". Not IDing after I make a Q is extremely rare.
> It is my experience that when I not ID after every QSO that it's hard to
> keep the pile-up going. But agian, we are not rare DX.
>
> It's easy to say that if a station does not ID regularly then one should
> not work him but that will probably hamper your own score more then his!
> If someone has a excessively wide signal that there's a good chance that
> he will hear from the contest committee. Why? Because it effects other
> competitors. To me, not IDing regularly also effects other competitors
> and IMHO could be dealt with in a similar way as for
> instance transmitting a excessively wide signal.
>
> 73, Maarten PD2R
> (Operating @ PI4DX)
>
> Op vrijdag 1 november 2013 schreef Albert Crespo (f5vhj at orange.fr):
>
>>  This is amateur radio and how people want to operate and ID is their
>> style.It maybe inefficient, rude, or self serving. If you do not like their
>> operating in the contest, reward them by not working them.
>> I ID  and give the call of the station I work 99% of the time. I have
>> terrible rate compared to others. This is the way I like others to operate.
>> I do not like to wait and listen to find out who is on frequency. I just
>>  turn  the dial.
>> Albert, TO5A, NH7A, 6W1RY, etc.
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Martin , LU5DX" <lu5dx at lucg.com.ar>
>> To: "Bob Kupps" <n6bk at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: 01/11/2013 11:45:41
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Running ID
>>
>>> I totally agree with you Bob.
>>> Last year during CQ WW DX CW, even though I was assisted, I had to wait
>>> up
>>> to three minutes on an guy in zone 33 to send his call and confirm who I
>>> contacted.
>>> For other in zone 8, I had to wait 21 Qs before he IDed again.
>>> This year I'll enter SOAB from CE3CT, so the pain will be even worse.
>>> Must
>>> be frustrating to spend a minute or two waiting on someone to ID without
>>> even knowing if he already is in your log or not.
>>> Unless this is required by the rules, I believe this will continue.
>>> There are lots of things to shorten:
>>> ENN at a faster speed.
>>> The zone exchange (which is obvious in most cases) also at a faster
>>> speed.
>>> EE instead of TU
>>> Test or TST at a faster speed.
>>> etc.
>>> Those thing, like it or not, don't hurt as much as not sending the
>>> station's callsign for such long periods of time.
>>>
>>> I believe a reasonable ID ratio is 1:3 (ID:Qs)...1:4 tops. Depending on
>>> the
>>> QSO rate at which the running station is working. It should result in
>>> folks
>>> IDing once every 20-25 secs, no more than that.
>>>
>>> Vy 73.
>>>
>>> Martin, LU5DX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Bob Kupps <n6bk at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   It appears to me that many of the big rare contest stations are
>>>> maximizing
>>>>  their rates by never IDing as long as there are enough assisted guys
>>>>  calling who already know who they are. This makes classic S&P
>>>> particularly
>>>>  agonizing and IMO all running stations should be required to ID at
>>>> least
>>>>  once every some number of Qs. I realize that assisted is a different
>>>>  category, but the guys out there who don't play my computer vs yours
>>>> will
>>>>  continue to diminish in number if it's no fun...
>>>>
>>>>  73 HS0ZIA
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>
> --
> 73, Maarten PD2R
>
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