[CQ-Contest] Why?

Wed Nov 27 00:01:57 EST 2013

Hi Larry.
Yes, tail-end calling is widely accepted if it's done correctly. But just a
few know when to fire their calls effectively using this technique.
I believe Tom  N4KG is the best tail-end caller ever. Good tail-end callers
can really add some more Qs to the hour totals.
But as you said. It's pretty risky to accept tail-end callers. I only do
that when running Stateside stations. If you nowadays do that when running
EUs the outcome will not be positive.
Compulsive non-stop callers are not smart tail-enders and they are
detrimental to everyone: to the DX station running and to those calling the
DX.
If everybody was clever enough to try clever things the DX will be able to
work more stations faster.
In my case I tend to pick stations with lower signals first, even if I have
a full call from a stronger caller, I will privilege the weaker one. That,
 sometimes hurt the rate a bit, but not too much. Some other times, the
weaker station in the pile is a new multiplier calling from a direction
different to the one I'm aiming at.
In the case of the DL8 vs the DK5. The DL8 was 20 dB over S9, the DK5 was
S3. It was the first time something like that happened to me. I cannot
figure out why he thought I was wrongly copying his callsign. DK5 is
totally different thant DL8 and not to mention if I include the suffixes of
these two stations.

Contest organizers should also request entrants to observe the DX code of
conduct...

Vy 73.

Martin, LU5DX

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Larry <lknain at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> I suspect people do it because it can work.
>
> I have heard DX stations lecture the pile about not calling while working
> someone. So then a QSO ends "LU5DX TU W7AAA 599.." which means the DX
> station was copying other calls. Thus, one could conclude that I should
> call during the QSO so the DX station will hear my call and call me next.
> But the other stations listening often figure out the scheme and call too.
> Chaos. Of course, if it was "LU5DX TU YU5DX 599..." I can understand in
> that you both have very similar calls. It is not usually that close.
>
> I don't think I have heard as belligerent case as your DL8 over the DK5.
> Many stations will easily cave and work the DL8 and the poor DK5 may not
> get worked after all. Once working the DL8 after having called the DK5 then
> it can degenerate into a calling mess. (After all, how can you not hear me?
> I am 599 and clear in my headphones!)  It can be hard sticking to what you
> call because it can kill your rate but there are ops that do it (I forget
> who but there were at least a couple heard this past weekend - a 5H and 5R
> I think). Trying to regroup if I heard DK5 and it wasn't actually DK5 can
> be interesting because that can open up the calling again.
>
> 73, Larry  W6NWS
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Martin , LU5DX
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:53 AM
> To: Ron Notarius W3WN
> Cc: CQ-Contest
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Why?
>
> Super weird things happened. Compulsive calling is spreading like a
> decease!
> But not only that. There is now bullying calling.
>
> In the middle of an unruly pile up some DK5 called in. I copied his full
> call at once and came back to him with ENNA2.
> There was this other DL8 also calling and he simply continued to call after
> I came back to the DK5.
> He was so strong I was not able to copy the exchange being sent by the DK5.
> No ony that. The DL8 said I'm not DK5... I'm DL8.....
> So no way out but to stop the pile  and asked the DL8 why he was that LID!!
> And he insisted I'm not DK5... And I said. I know you are not, I'm working
> someone else and I'm not working you for sure, so please QSY.
> Really bad operating manners were mostly shown by countries from certain
> countries, but now, it's pandemic!
> Just as in 2012. I had to wait long on big egos to ID (some of them
> repeating their techniques from last year).
>
> Anyways lots of fun as usual.
>
> I wonder if the WWROF will take a more proactive approach on all these
> topics.
>
> Best 73.
>
> Martin, LU5DX
> Op at CE3CT this past WWCW.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net
> >wrote:
>
>  And of course, we all remember a well know US amateur working in Kuwait,
>> who was known to answer partial calls (and other liddish behavior) with
>> "you're in the log" instead of a signal report.
>>
>> So, someone who called (and called and called ) "FOUR LIMA) and sent a
>> card to that station's manager as "W4LID" would be told... he's not in the
>> log.  The log showed '4L' but not 'W4LID'
>>
>> (apologies to the real W4LID, if any, I simply used that call as an
>> example)
>>
>> 73
>>
>> On 11/25/13, Milt -- N5IA wrote:
>>
>> Been there; done that. During the CQ 160 SSB 'test I operated as VP6DX
>> from
>> Ducie Atoll in February of 2008 there were two prominent "Big Guns" who
>> never made it in the log because of their inability to follow instructions
>> and kept calling, calling, calling while I was trying to get another call
>> sign correct. This went on for HOURS.
>>
>> Sad, but true.
>>
>> Mis dos centavos,
>>
>> de Milt, N5IA
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe
>> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 7:53 AM
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Why?
>>
>> .... CUT ....
>>
>> If i ever had the chance to be at the other end, I'd make a
>> list of lid's like this, and make sure they never get worked.
>>
>> But Just my own opinion.
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>>
>>
>>
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