[CQ-Contest] Let's ban "inband", too

Braco OE1EMS oe1ems at emssolutions.at
Sat Feb 8 18:07:34 EST 2014

Inband scenario is like this

Calling CQ
You have small pile up of 2-3 station calling you 
Most stronger is inband station from one of Multi Op team
You replay with 59(9) 15 or number and nothing silence
You call again and still nothing no replay
So you hit another CQ
Again calling you 2-3 station and again Multi op team is the strongest one
You give again 59(9) 15 or number and again silence!
After 15 sec of waiting you got your 59(9) and zone or number!
Multi Op team got his QSO with inband station (which needs to wait because
of the interlock)
And you lost  min of 1 min your time!

There is no much choice.....only choice is not to call CQ and who is not
CQing he is can´t win!

This is very common scenario in last few years and inband station are making
up to 2 K QSO S&P beside the CQ(RUN) station on same band!

We are using same technique or better to say we are trying to use it and
when then is no such delay....which is common by some others 


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] Im Auftrag von
W0MU Mike Fatchett
Gesendet: Samstag, 08. Februar 2014 18:33
An: cq-contest at contesting.com
Betreff: Re: [CQ-Contest] Let's ban "inband", too

The point is that you are choosing to wait.  There are many doctors
available and some may make you wait less and some may make you wait more.
Just like DX you might wait longer for rare dx or a rare multiplier.

Waiting is YOUR choice.

The only reason this rule is being placed in effect is because you the
caller can't move along.

 From the Nov/Dec 2013 NCJ

Ward N0AX writes:

"The All-Time Number one worst time waster from the other end of the QSO is
not identifying"  "I should just train myself to move on and find another
station to work.  Nevertheless, hugely bad sportsmanship on their part.  No
excuse not identifying ever few QSO's at worst."

You can't manage yourself so you petition the organizers to change the
rules.  Crazy!

Isn't contesting a competition?  When I compete in the contest it is to
MAXIMIZE MY SCORE, not yours!  What you might consider bad sportsman ship is
maximizing my score.  I am not intentionally wasting your time by not
Identifying, I happen to have a huge pileup of people that know who I am.
What makes you so special that I need to change my operating habits because
you happened to find me?

Where do we want to take this?  QRP stations can be weak, yet I have to
waste my time trying to pull them out of the noise?  We should require that
all stations run 1500 watts and tribanders or better at 50 ft?  How about
code speed.  Maybe we need to regulate it so you must send between 35-40wpm.
Anything less and you are wasting my time and anything less than the above
is poor sportsmanship right?

Was it poor sportsmanship in the Superbowl for the Seattle defenders to
crush, hold, push, shove, impede the Denver receivers, some of which could
be considered against the rules, even though the officials didn't throw a
flag?  NO.  There was no mention of Seattle being poor sports was there?  Is
the NFL going to change their rules so that what Seattle did on defense will
not be allowed because they were poor sports?  NO!

Most of the posts are saying that there is an ENTITLEMENT to work each and
every station you come across in a contest.  That is simply not true.

We need rules.  We need to enforce the ones we already have and we need to
make them clear and concise and we need rules that can be enforced.  
Less is more in this case.

Where are the hard facts on how many stations are not identifying on a
regular basis?  Back up the rule with hard facts.  Lacking facts this rule
change is made because the organizers are hesitant, afraid or resistant to
discussing the issue with the offenders.  How are we coming on policing the
power issues?  Not very far.  The real issue is that if I don't send in a
long I can do whatever I want and you people are still going to be

How are those drug laws and traffic laws working?  Nobody speeds and there
are no drugs on the street right?

If we want to make changes then education is key not more rules. Get out to
the contest clubs and write articles with facts not just opinions, as 
opinions are like.......etc....   Prove to me that my score is going to 
go up because I ID every contact if you can.  Real facts please.

What happened to the person running the pileup was in charge?

I agree that stations should identify on regular basis and the vast majority
do!  I don't agree with the rule the way it is written and slid out under
the cover of darkness.  It is not enforceable and only addresses competitors
who send in logs.

Mike W0MU

On 2/7/2014 11:03 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC wrote:
> Hah! I'm sorry Shelby, but I got a huge laugh out of this one... 
> /"//No one, on this earth, has the power to control the time of any 
> one!"/
> You have never sat in the waiting room for the doctor??? It's the same 
> principle but instead you're sitting in front of a radio.
> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> //
> On 2/7/2014 3:34 PM, Shelby Summerville wrote:
>> XV4Y (Yan) wrote: "They are BIG-GUNS and they have the power to 
>> control the time, your time more precisely."
>> No one, on this earth, has the power to control the time of any one! 
>> There are some that have that objective, but unless YOU allow it, 
>> it's just not possible!
>> C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW
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