[CQ-Contest] This IS cheating, right?

[Radio K0HB]

Bob,


This isn't a case of "get even".




Rick never even sent his side of the required contest exchange.  The other station acknowledged his (unsent) info and moved on to the next caller.  There is no QSO to enter in the log.




73, de Hans, K0HB/K7
🌵Sent from Arizona 🌞

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Bob Naumann <W5OV at w5ov.com> wrote:

> Rick didn't explicitly say he didn't receive the exchange from the other guy
> and even went on to say:  
> "I don't expect to log more than a few dozen Qs in this event, but his will
> not be among the ones I submit, even though it was a needed mult."
> Q:  If he didn't copy the exchange, how did he know it was a needed mult?  
> A:  As he later said, he listened to subsequent QSOs and then copied it.
> Nothing wrong with that.  "Good QSO" as they say on nets (so I'm told).
> The basic point here is not to delete QSOs in one's log to "get even" with
> others who may or may not be following the rules. The actual circumstances
> of this situation don't change that.
> This sort of sentiment has been discussed here before, and this seemed an
> opportune time to speak up about it.
> There are other motivations that lead to this behavior - like working a
> station and because he hasn't sent you a QSL card for previous contacts, you
> delete the QSO from your log to try to get even.  Clearly, this is so wrong,
> I think no more need be said.
> Again, let the contest sponsor sort it out.  Report what you've heard to
> them.  Don't be a vigilante and delete qsos from your log to try to
> adjudicate the contest yourself.
> 73,
> Bob W5OV
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ve4xt at mymts.net [mailto:ve4xt at mymts.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:55 AM
> To: Bob Naumann
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] This IS cheating, right?
> Bob,
> One fly in your otherwise perfect ointment: Rick notes neither he nor the
> station he worked received the exchange. 
> No QSO.
> though, otherwise, I'd agree with your sentiment entirely.
> 73, Kelly
> ve4xt
> Sent from my iPad
>> On Feb 23, 2014, at 8:34 AM, "Bob Naumann" <W5OV at W5OV.COM> wrote:
>> 
>> Rick,
>> 
>> While the guy you worked was obviously assisted, why would you reduce
> *your*
>> score to get back at him?
>> 
>> I'd include your description of what happened with your log submittal and
>> let the contest sponsor sort it out.
>> 
>> I'd wager that he's putting other given names in his log rather than what
>> was sent on the air.  They'll figure that out.
>> 
>> There's talk about automatic DQ for people who do what you're suggesting -
>> i.e.; intentionally deleting a QSO from your log.
>> 
>> While the other guy is sleazy for sure, what you're suggesting is not much
>> better and really only hurts your score.
>> 
>> Don't do it.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Bob W5OV
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>> Rick Lindquist, WW1ME
>> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 11:12 AM
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] This IS cheating, right?
>> 
>> Okay, conditions for the CQ 160 SSB have been extremely noisy for many of
> us
>> along the Eastern Seaboard. Operators have routinely been CQing in the
> face
>> of several callers, and few seem to be able to hear me, although I did
> snag
>> HK1NA and a guy in Iowa, so the antenna system still works, such as it is.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, I digress. A station came back to me, but I could not copy his
> state
>> among the static crashes, so I asked for a repeat. The op comes back:
> "Okay,
>> thanks, Eric, for Maine." Well, two problems here: (1) I had not given him
>> his report yet (and never did), and (2) I never use my given name on or
> off
>> the air - I go by "Rick." The logical conclusion here is that he had his
>> logger set to look up on the Internet stations he was working, and he got
> my
>> given name AND my exchange info from a call sign database.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don't expect to log more than a few dozen Qs in this event, but his will
>> not be among the ones I submit, even though it was a needed mult.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Rick, WW1ME
>> 
>> 
>> 
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