[CQ-Contest] CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 138, Issue 32
DENNIS VERNACCHIA
n6ki at sbcglobal.net
Sat Jun 28 13:31:40 EDT 2014
Most CONTESTERS would participate if we can
just recover some energy right after USA/CANADA Field Day weekend !
Oh, but wait, FD is NOT a CONTEST !
;-)
N6KI
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Today's Topics:
1. 2014 Canada Day Contest (Bart Ritchie (VE5CPU))
2. Re: CQ WW Rules preview (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
3. Update of HQ call signs to IARU HF Championship 2014
(Joergen "Joe" - OZ0J)
4. Re: Update of HQ call signs to IARU HF Championship 2014
(Martin , LU5DX)
5. Re: 2014 Canada Day Contest (Marsha)
6. Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting (Charles Harpole)
7. Re: Update of HQ call signs to IARU HF Championship2014
(Joergen "Joe" - OZ0J)
8. Alice and Bob QSO Party (Ward Silver)
9. Re: Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting (Charles Harpole)
10. Re: Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting (K4XS via CQ-Contest)
11. Re: Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting (Bill Hider)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:17:10 -0600
From: "Bart Ritchie (VE5CPU)" <ve5cpu at sasktel.net>
To: Canada Contest List <canada_contest at narc.net>, CQ-Contest
<cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] 2014 Canada Day Contest
Message-ID:
<201406271417.s5REHAwc022685 at mail146c7.megamailservers.com>
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Good day everyone.
Just a quick note to remind the contesting community that we would
love to have you join us for the 2014 Canada Day Contest, celebrating
Canada birthday on the air. This year July 1st falls on a Tuesday,
but we hope you will take a little time and join us for a few QSOs.
Complete details and rules are available on the Radio Amateurs of Canada site.
General info and past results:
https://www.rac.ca/en/rac/programmes/contests/
Rules:
http://www.rac.ca/en/rac/programmes/contests/files/2014%20Canada%20Day%20Contest%20Rules.pdf
73, Bart - VE5CPU
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RAC Canada Day Contest Manager
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:23:37 -0600
From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com>
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Rules preview
Message-ID: <53AD7E69.4010907 at w0mu.com>
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In CQ WW how could you know if the other guy copied your call correct or
not. I have yet to catch N1MM logger not sending W0MU during the contest.
If Callsigns were part of the exchange then K3FIV might have a point.
Mike W0MU
On 6/26/2014 9:45 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> The fact that you don't consider that to be a penalty gives me some
> insight into the reasoning process behind your proposal.
>
> It also seems to have escaped you that there are elements to logging a
> QSO that go beyond the exchange of information. The guy on the other
> end could have copied my callsign perfectly ... even sent it back to
> me with his report ... and still log it incorrectly without me having
> the slightest opportunity to do anything about it.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
>
> On 6/26/2014 1:11 PM, Jack Haverty. wrote:
>>
>> If the concept of a penalty is unpalatable, it's still possible to
>> use the
>> scoring mechanism to reward completion of exchanges. E.G., You only
>> get
>> credit for a Q if you copied the other guy's transmission completely and
>> accurately, AND he similarly copied yours. Only then is the exchange
>> complete.
>>
>> 73,
>> /Jack de K3FIV
>>
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 20:24:48 +0200
From: "Joergen \"Joe\" - OZ0J" <contest at oz0j.dk>
To: "'cq-contest at contesting com'" <cq-contest at contesting.com>,
<support at win-test.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Update of HQ call signs to IARU HF Championship
2014
Message-ID: <019001cf9235$1506e890$3f14b9b0$@oz0j.dk>
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Hi all
I have received a few e-mails about the upcoming IARU HF Championship
contest and known HQ stations of 2014.
I have also looked at http://www.dailydx.com/calendar.html
The updated list so far can be found at
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651703/HQ2014.txt
Please send me an e-mail with any updates to that list.
Vy 73 de OZ0J / 5Q2T
Joe
Responsible of OZ1HQ
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:24:33 -0300
From: "Martin , LU5DX" <lu5dx at lucg.com.ar>
To: Joergen Joe - OZ0J <contest at oz0j.dk>
Cc: "cq-contest at contesting com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>,
support at win-test.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Update of HQ call signs to IARU HF
Championship 2014
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Hi Joe.
I see
LR0D RCA
LR0F RCA
LR0H RCA
LR1D RCA
LR2H RCA
In the updated list at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651703/HQ2014.txt
These are not the callsigns that we'll be using this year for our RCA
HQ operation.
I'll email you the right callsigns as soon as we receive them from our
National authority.
Vy 73.
Martin, LU5DX
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Joergen "Joe" - OZ0J <contest at oz0j.dk>
wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I have received a few e-mails about the upcoming IARU HF Championship
> contest and known HQ stations of 2014.
>
> I have also looked at http://www.dailydx.com/calendar.html
>
> The updated list so far can be found at
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651703/HQ2014.txt
>
> Please send me an e-mail with any updates to that list.
>
>
> Vy 73 de OZ0J / 5Q2T
>
>
> Joe
>
>
> Responsible of OZ1HQ
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:20:45 -0400
From: Marsha <marsha-fleming at att.net>
To: "Bart Ritchie (VE5CPU)" <ve5cpu at sasktel.net>
Cc: Canada Contest List <canada_contest at narc.net>, CQ-Contest
<cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] 2014 Canada Day Contest
Message-ID: <BCBF33B7-AF76-4C48-BB9E-46E78003E668 at att.net>
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I asked for the day off work just for the contest. I need fills for my Canada award.
GL
Marsha N8FE
> On Jun 27, 2014, at 10:17, "Bart Ritchie (VE5CPU)" <ve5cpu at sasktel.net> wrote:
>
> Good day everyone.
>
> Just a quick note to remind the contesting community that we would love to have you join us for the 2014 Canada Day Contest, celebrating Canada birthday on the air. This year July 1st falls on a Tuesday, but we hope you will take a little time and join us for a few QSOs.
>
> Complete details and rules are available on the Radio Amateurs of Canada site.
> General info and past results: https://www.rac.ca/en/rac/programmes/contests/
>
> Rules: http://www.rac.ca/en/rac/programmes/contests/files/2014%20Canada%20Day%20Contest%20Rules.pdf
>
> 73, Bart - VE5CPU
>
> ----------
> RAC Canada Day Contest Manager
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 07:45:05 +0700
From: Charles Harpole <hs0zcw at gmail.com>
To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting
Message-ID:
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Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting is in those cases where credit is
only given for a contact IF BOTH contesters send, receive, and record the
contact information correctly.
This is a quite unique situation in sports where the opposing contender's
correct behavior is necessary for your own benefit. Is there any other
sport where the "other guy" must act in a good way for mutual scoring
benefit for both contenders?
Ham radio is wonderful. 73,
--
Charly, HS0ZCW
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:00:09 +0200
From: "Joergen \"Joe\" - OZ0J" <contest at oz0j.dk>
To: "'Martin , LU5DX'" <lu5dx at lucg.com.ar>
Cc: "'cq-contest at contesting com'" <cq-contest at contesting.com>,
support at win-test.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Update of HQ call signs to IARU HF
Championship2014
Message-ID: <001801cf9296$39481a10$abd84e30$@oz0j.dk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dear all
Please note that the list is a part of 2013 HQ stations and known calls and
prefixes from earlier years.
Any errors / changes are welcome.
Present only my Excel sheet (borrowed from K0RC) will be updated daily. I
will create a new list next week and publish that list here.
Please also help W3UR, Bernie and send him your HQ call and exchange. Send
it to bernie at dailydx.com so he can update
http://www.dailydx.com/calendar.html
N6TV, Bob has promised to create a database file for Win-Test.
Please expect the final most list to be published Friday 11/7.
Best 73
OZ0J, Joe
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Fra: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] P? vegne af
Martin , LU5DX
Sendt: 27. juni 2014 21:25
Til: Joergen Joe - OZ0J
Cc: cq-contest at contesting com; support at win-test.com
Emne: Re: [CQ-Contest] Update of HQ call signs to IARU HF Championship2014
Hi Joe.
I see
LR0D RCA
LR0F RCA
LR0H RCA
LR1D RCA
LR2H RCA
In the updated list at
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651703/HQ2014.txt
These are not the callsigns that we'll be using this year for our RCA HQ
operation.
I'll email you the right callsigns as soon as we receive them from our
National authority.
Vy 73.
Martin, LU5DX
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Joergen "Joe" - OZ0J <contest at oz0j.dk>
wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I have received a few e-mails about the upcoming IARU HF Championship
> contest and known HQ stations of 2014.
>
> I have also looked at http://www.dailydx.com/calendar.html
>
> The updated list so far can be found at
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651703/HQ2014.txt
>
> Please send me an e-mail with any updates to that list.
>
>
> Vy 73 de OZ0J / 5Q2T
>
>
> Joe
>
>
> Responsible of OZ1HQ
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:57:25 -0500
From: Ward Silver <hwardsil at gmail.com>
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Alice and Bob QSO Party
Message-ID: <53AEC9C5.3080300 at gmail.com>
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Just to stimulate discussion, here's an idea for the "Alice and Bob
(ALBO) QSO Party" :-)
For the exchange, each station sends a fixed-length hexadecimal
character group (characters 0-9 and A-F) that is the digital product of
the *other* station's call sign and a random number generated by the
sending station's logging software.
If the station receiving the character group has the correct call sign
of the sending station, reversing the multiplication recovers the random
number which is then matched in log checking for full credit. If either
station has the other station's call sign wrong, the random number won't
be correct and no credit for the contact is given.
Since the running station has to give the search-and-pounce station's
call sign to initiate the QSO, there is a built-in check for the
search-and-pounce station to verify that their call has been received
properly:
Runner: CQ ALBO N0AX
Searcher: W1AW
[Runner software generates random number 12345 and computes W1AW x 12345
= 0A246E or something, just made that up]
Runner: W1AW 0A246E
[Searcher divides 0A246E by W1AW and logs 12345]
If the Runner has the Searcher's call sign wrong (WA1W, for example)
then the random number won't be recovered correctly, but the Searcher
will hear the incorrect call and can correct it just like we do in
current contests.
Now the fun begins...the Searcher generates their own random number
54321, calculates N0AX x 54321 = 47BC28 and can either send:
Searcher: R 47BC28
[Runner *assumes* the Searcher knows the call sign N0AX and divides
47BC28 by N0AX to get and log 54321]
or
Searcher: R N0AX 47BC28
[Runner now has a check that the Searcher has copied their call sign
correctly]
If the search-and-pounce station does not include the running station's
call in their response, the running station has to trust that the
search-and-pounce station has their correct call. This is faster and
leads to a higher rate but is less reliable because if the
search-and-pounce station does not have the correct call for the running
station, the random number recovered by the running station won't be
correct and the QSO won't count. Thus, there is a built-in, but dynamic,
brake on a running station's assuming their call sign is known and not
sending it "in the clear." Is sending all calls every time the optimum
strategy to maximize score? Or maybe every other QSO? Every third QSO?
Search-and-pouncing stations can not guess the random number by
listening to other contacts, either. As always, both call signs have to
match in the log-checking database and the number representing the
product has to be copied correctly.
Since all of the computations are done by the logging software, the
human operators are just sending and receiving character groups, not
unlike CQ WPX. Additional information for multipliers can be added in
the clear, as well. Ready for contesting 2.0?
Have fun on Field Day - show our new hams how it's done!
73, Ward N0AX
PS - The reference to Alice and Bob relates to those two names being
typically used to identify the two parties in an exchange of encrypted
information. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_and_Bob)
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:03:33 +0700
From: Charles Harpole <hs0zcw at gmail.com>
To: Bill Hider <n3rr at erols.com>
Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting
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Not golf re my point...... golf scores do not depend on the cooperation of
a fellow golfer. Whatever a golfer does is entirely his own biz, not
helped nor hurt by a fellow golfer .... and each golfer can keep his own
score, too.
However, with some contests, the behavior of the other ham can definitely
help or hurt YOUR score. Unusual cohabitation by competitors not equaled
in any other sport. 73, Charly
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Bill Hider <n3rr at erols.com> wrote:
> Absolutely, Charly - Professional GOLF!
>
> Each player keeps the score of their competitor on each hole.
>
> (there are other rules re: scoring, but that answers your question)
>
> Bill, N3RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Charles Harpole
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:45 PM
> To: CQ-Contest Reflector
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting
>
> Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting is in those cases where credit is
> only given for a contact IF BOTH contesters send, receive, and record the
> contact information correctly.
>
> This is a quite unique situation in sports where the opposing contender's
> correct behavior is necessary for your own benefit. Is there any other
> sport where the "other guy" must act in a good way for mutual scoring
> benefit for both contenders?
>
> Ham radio is wonderful. 73,
>
> --
> Charly, HS0ZCW
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:31:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: K4XS via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting
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That is not correct. I send you K4XS 59905. You log it as K4XS 59904.
You send QSL and so do I after I receive your exchange. I still get credit
for the QSO, you get busted. You get nothing, I get points.
Bill K4XS
In a message dated 6/28/2014 1:12:04 P.M. Coordinated Universal Time,
hs0zcw at gmail.com writes:
Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting is in those cases where credit is
only given for a contact IF BOTH contesters send, receive, and record the
contact information correctly.
This is a quite unique situation in sports where the opposing contender's
correct behavior is necessary for your own benefit. Is there any other
sport where the "other guy" must act in a good way for mutual scoring
benefit for both contenders?
Ham radio is wonderful. 73,
--
Charly, HS0ZCW
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:51:05 -0400
From: "Bill Hider" <n3rr at erols.com>
To: "'Charles Harpole'" <hs0zcw at gmail.com>, "'CQ-Contest Reflector'"
<cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting
Message-ID: <006e01cf92e0$6395b940$2ac12bc0$@erols.com>
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Absolutely, Charly - Professional GOLF!
Each player keeps the score of their competitor on each hole.
(there are other rules re: scoring, but that answers your question)
Bill, N3RR
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Charles Harpole
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:45 PM
To: CQ-Contest Reflector
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting
Unique Radiosport Aspect of Contesting is in those cases where credit is
only given for a contact IF BOTH contesters send, receive, and record the
contact information correctly.
This is a quite unique situation in sports where the opposing contender's
correct behavior is necessary for your own benefit. Is there any other
sport where the "other guy" must act in a good way for mutual scoring
benefit for both contenders?
Ham radio is wonderful. 73,
--
Charly, HS0ZCW
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