[CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially identify SCP as "assisted?"

George Dubovsky n4ua.va at gmail.com
Thu Dec 3 09:18:49 EST 2015


Perhaps it's time to change your tagline to "Just an Old Man and His
Radio"... ;-)


geo - n4ua

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:

> The "no code reader" rule bugs me a little bit.
> It seems a departure from the "no outside source of Call/QRG" paradigm
> which previously was the generally accepted definition of assistance.
> Perhaps the sponsor could share their rationale for this restriction.  As
> a long time CW guy with failing ears......  Well, let's just say that it's
> a growing crowd.
> __73, de Hans, K0HB
> "Just a Boy and His Radio"™
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:37 PM, w2up at comcast.net <w2up at comcast.net> wrote:
> >     Yes, automation is on the way. Last month I drove from Denver to
> Vegas and back with no foot on the pedal and no hands on the steering wheel
> for 1400 of the 1700 mile trip. Compared to that, automated contesting is
> easy!
> > Barry W2UP
> > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
> > ------ Original message------From: Stan StocktonDate: Wed, Dec 2, 2015
> 8:35 AMTo: john at kk9a.com;Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com;Subject:Re:
> [CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially identify SCP
> as "assisted?"
> > Making code readers cause you to be in assisted category is a stop
> measure to total automation.  After lunch the other day, my bother who is
> not a ham and who heard nothing but talk of all this for an hour during
> lunch, told me that it seemed a very small step to go from what is being
> done by a human to total automation.73...Stan, K5GO/ZF2ET> On Dec 2, 2015,
> at 8:00 AM, "john at kk9a.com"  wrote:> > Until recently I thought that
> assisted meant getting outside assistance to> find stations, typically
> multipliers. Skimmer made this more complicated> as it really is not anyone
> else helping you find stations. Then the> committee changed the rules to
> include code readers as assisted. Certainly> logging software and computer
> generated CW are also some type of> assistance or why would we use them.
> There would be no way to run on two> bands simultaneously using a keyer and
> pad of paper.  Where does this end?> > John KK9A> > > To:
> cq-contest at contesting.com> Subject:    [CQ-Contest] Is it time that the
> contest sponsors officially> identify SCP as "assisted?"> From:
> kr2q at optimum.net> Date:    Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:26:40 +0000 (GMT)>
> List-post:    mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>> Yes, the sponsors (or
> their committees) make the rules and the definitions.> > In CQWW and other
> contests, use of a database to alter calls is not> allowed...post contest.>
> > There can be zero doubt that using SCP is using a database assembled by>
> others.> Is there really a difference in changing a callsign during the
> contest via> use> of a db as> compared to changing it after the contest via
> a database?  Think about it.> > Please focus on the "database" aspect
> rather than the timing aspect.> > If CQWW can recognize use of a CW decoder
> (any type, not just skimmer> type) as> assisted,> then why not recognize
> use of SCP as assisted?> > For me (IMHO), use of SCP is far more "assisted"
> than use of a cw decoder.> > If SCP partial is not helping you "copy" the
> callsign, then why use it? > Would> you be happy> to operate without it?
> If yes, then say so.  If no, say so...and please> clarify why not.> > This
> is an old tune for me.  See my NCJ article from May 1996, which covers>
> many topics,> including SCP.  Don't have it available?  Write me and I'll
> send you a copy.> > Some things never change....or can they?> > Usual
> disclaimer about my opinion versus my membership on the CQWWCC.> > de Doug
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