[CQ-Contest] CQ WW CW 2014 TO7A.

Thu May 7 10:25:15 EDT 2015

This is also follow up by violation of several illegal out of band QSO too, IARU bandplan in Region 1 stop on 7200 Khz.... If radioamateurs gonna get new frequencies, we cant keep on operate outside our bands....   

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Randy,

There is a lot you are doing for the "sport" that is great work.

However, whether we like it or not, we have an unwritten rule that basically says "We may subjectively choose who we "believe" broke the rules, even without absolute proof.  We can choose whether or not to disqualify the entry, request that the accused submit evidence in attempt to prove innocence and still subjectively choose whether to disqualify the entrant regardless of proof submitted".   

I'm in the camp of....I don't like it.

A quote from Caddy Shack comes to mind but wouldn't be politically correct in this particular instance.

In my opinion, it would be better if the subjectivity of these types of decisions was eliminated from the process.  There are several ways that I can think of to know with near 100% certainty that someone was using assistance other than that provided by a band scope and a directive antenna.  They would use an objective, software analysis of every single operator log.

Now we are adding another subjective area for possible DQ - signal quality without definition of what constitutes a bad signal or duration of the problem during a 48 hour contest.  I can think of two instances in recent history where prominent, high profile stations had a serious problem and have concern that the subjective decision making process would come into play while others were penalized.   

OK, this Caddy Shack reference/metaphor is alright.   

The thing no "decent, upstanding member of a society" wants is for anyone to ever have fear of entering a contest because the rules are adjudicated with a lot of subjectivity while other gophers seemingly dig with impunity.

73...Stan, K5GO

> On May 6, 2015, at 11:06 PM, Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd at charter.net> wrote:

>  
> Dmitry,

>  
> It appears you are not receiving the emails that I am sending to you.  Since

> you are reading the cq-contest reflector, I will attempt to use this path to

> reply to you.

>  
> Below is the email I sent on March 6 notifying you of the disqualification

> of your TO7A entry.

>  
> I had also sent an email on Feb 1 asking for recordings of portions of your

> log.  Perhaps you did not receive it.

>  
> I also replied to your email from May 3, but that must not have made it

> through either. Do you have another email address that would be more

> reliable?

>  
> 73,

>  
> Randy, K5ZD

>  
> -----Original Message-----

> From: Randy Thompson K5ZD [mailto:k5zd at charter.net]  
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 12:42 AM

> To: 'dx at ut5ugr.com'

> Subject: TO7A in CQ WW CW 2014 - Disqualified

> Importance: High

>  
> Dear OM,

>  
> I am writing to inform you that the TO7A (op UT5UGR) entry in the 2014 CQ WW

> DX CW Contest is being disqualified. You entered in the Single Operator

> category (V.A.1). This category does not allow use of QSO alerting

> assistance.

>  
> The definition of QSO alerting assistance is in rule VIII.

>  
> 2. QSO alerting assistance: The use of any technology or other source that

> provides call sign or multiplier identification along with frequency

> information to the operator. It includes, but is not limited to, use of DX

> cluster, packet, local or remote call sign and frequency decoding technology

> (e.g., CW Skimmer or Reverse Beacon Network), or operating arrangements

> involving other individuals.

>  
> CQ WW Rules:  http://www.cqww.com/rules.htm

>  
>  
> Based on analysis of your log, we believe that you did use QSO spotting

> assistance (such as the Internet, DX cluster, RBN, etc.) to help you find

> QSOs.  
>  
> You have five days to appeal the disqualification and provide any

> information about your entry. After that time the decision is final.

>  
> The best evidence that you could provide to us is a recording of your

> operation.

>  
> Your entry is disqualified only for the 2014 CW contest. You will be welcome

> to submit an entry in the CQWW Contest in 2015.

>  
> 73

>  
>  
> Randy Thompson, K5ZD

> Director - CQ WW DX Contest  
> email: k5zd at cqww.com

> web: www.cqww.com

> Facebook: www.facebook.com/cqwwdx    
>  
>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of

>> Dmitry Stashuk

>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 8:50 PM

>> To: Ken Widelitz

>> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com

>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW CW 2014 TO7A.

>>  
>> Hi, Ken.

>> No any supporting documentations exist. No any reason was reported. In

>> violation of chapter XII.C.2 of CQ WW contest rules nobody from contest

>> committee did Email me about any issues. I have never receive any answer

>> to my Emails to the contest committee.

>>  
>> 73's Dim UT5UGR/TO7A

>> Enjoy some videos of TO7A in CQ WW CW 2014

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD1qr51cV-s.

>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Ken Widelitz" <widelitz at gte.net>

>> To: "'Barry'" <w2up at comcast.net>; <cq-contest at contesting.com>

>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 8:43 AM

>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW CW 2014 Results

>>  
>>  
>>> Not only a lot of DQ's. The #1 SOABHP claimed score TO7A (UT5UGR, op)

>> was

>>> DQ'd.

>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> I would really like to see the reason(s) and supporting documentation

>> for

>>> that one.

>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

>>>  
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