[CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle

Joe nss at mwt.net
Fri May 15 17:20:18 EDT 2015


Thats all I was wondering, if the one time DQ or a penalty like the 
quarterback is getting.

Joe WB9SBD
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On 5/15/2015 3:07 PM, Radio K0HB wrote:
> Joe, the penalty is that the man was DQ'd.
>
> When I was a lad and needed correction I got whatever penalty my Dad 
> thought warranted.  There was no "long for the future" whippings to 
> come due.  Rather the follow on often was "now let's go catch some 
> fish for supper".
>
> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Joe <nss at mwt.net 
> <mailto:nss at mwt.net>> wrote:
>
>     Ok,
>     A violator was found, and has been prosecuted by both the contest
>     sponsors, and in the eyes of the rest of the contesting world.
>     I may have missed this next part. But what is happening next? The
>     station was DQ'ed from this years contest.
>
>     OK,
>
>     Now what if any penalties are imposed and for how long for the future?
>
>     Joe WB9SBD
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>     On 5/15/2015 6:51 AM, Mats Strandberg wrote:
>     > Very well expressed Stan,
>     >
>     > Anyone that openly admits a mistake, apologizes for it, and
>     expresses a
>     > sincere desire to improve, could ultimately be forgiven (by most
>     people at
>     > least).
>     >
>     > However, and this is important, the person must come to that
>     conclusion
>     > himself, and then in public express his reasons for wrongdoing,
>     and a
>     > trustworthy plan how to change for the better.
>     >
>     > Let us hope that this process will develop into reality
>     eventually. I
>     > believe that cheaters who convert to becoming reliable and honest
>     > competitors again, will also have an important roll in changing
>     other
>     > persons' behavior into the better. Without good examples of
>     change, others
>     > will think it is impossible.
>     >
>     > We are a community based on friendship, and we have an important
>     function
>     > to collectively bring people into the right thinking and ethics.
>     If someone
>     > fails, it is also our obligation to be there and support that
>     person to
>     > adjust behavior and return back to our community. To hunt a
>     wounded wolf
>     > until the end of the horizon might help us to "satisfy our wish for
>     > revenge", but does it really make things better?
>     >
>     > One person is now taking the full blow, while there were dozens
>     of cheaters
>     > in the 2014 CQWW. All others are in some way protected by the
>     exposed one,
>     > even if their offence to our sport is the same or even worse.
>     Log padding,
>     > unclaimed assistance, power cheating is the same to me. Nothing
>     is better,
>     > nothing is worse.
>     >
>     > How many can with the hand on the heart say that they never
>     cheated somehow
>     > in sports, card games or in contesting. There are too many, way
>     too big
>     > amps out there, for all of us to be perfectly innocent. Running
>     3, 5 or 10
>     > kW is nothing better than log padding or cheating with clusters
>     or RBN. It
>     > is still the same offence to those who practice 100% fair play
>     contesting.
>     >
>     > 73 de RM2D, Mats
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > 2015-05-15 12:14 GMT+03:00 Stan Stockton <wa5rtg at gmail.com>:
>     >
>     >> Yuri,
>     >>
>     >> This needed to be said. I doubt Frank was thinking very clearly
>     when he
>     >> listed anything other than single op entries or entries where
>     the log
>     >> submission was known to be in Dim's control and did not mean to
>     cast doubt
>     >> on anyone and everyone who has ever operated in the same room
>     over the
>     >> years.
>     >>
>     >> The committee had a strong enough belief regarding unclaimed
>     assistance
>     >> that they were willing to DQ. EA5RS found solid proof of an
>     even more
>     >> major crime they had apparently not found.
>     >>
>     >> This whole thing resembled a pack of wolves going after a
>     wounded animal.
>     >>
>     >> I feel somewhat sorry for Dim. It's very sad since he appears
>     to be good
>     >> enough to perhaps win playing fair. I'm sure, like many of us,
>     radio
>     >> contesting is an important thing to him. He is ruined, but
>     ultimately is
>     >> to blame for the outcome.
>     >>
>     >> Whether the contest community as a whole is willing to ever
>     forgive him if
>     >> he is apologetic and proves he can reform his ways is a big
>     question.
>     >> Personally, I hope he confesses, apologizes and asks for
>     forgiveness.
>     >> Then, and only then, will we see.
>     >>
>     >> 73...Stan, K5GO
>     >>
>     >>> On May 14, 2015, at 7:39 AM, Yuri <ve3dz at rigexpert.net> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> Good morning Frank.
>     >>> I see you listed UGR's WRTC results and also all his Multi Op
>     >> participations below.
>     >>> Do I understand you correctly that you also question all these
>     scores?
>     >>> Do you know that all WRTC teams had onsite referees who were
>     monitoring
>     >> teams audio live 24/hr?
>     >>> For the record - UT5UGR was my partner at WRTC 2006. Do you
>     suggest that
>     >> the PW5X score you listed below is not legit? As well as all
>     his other M/S
>     >> and M/M participation?
>     >>> Now all the people with whom he operated over the years are under
>     >> suspicion?
>     >>> Thanks.
>     >>>
>     >>> Yuri VE3DZ/W8
>     >>>
>     >>> P.S. You missed his 1996 WRTC score (K6K) where we were
>     partners too and
>     >> ended up being #32 (or 34?) and also UGR's WRTC 2000 score
>     where he and his
>     >> partner were outside of top ten...
>     >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <donovanf at starpower.net>
>     >>> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>     >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:31 AM
>     >>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>> Hi Mike,
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Exactly the same log padding technique is present the the
>     2013 and 2014
>     >>>> TO7A CQWW CW public logs. In both cases proven well beyond a
>     >>>> reasonable doubt.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Many of UT5UGR's logs are public, available for crowdsourcing
>     feedback.
>     >>>> His log padding technique is now publicly known.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> There's a clear precedence for past and future actions
>     against blatant
>     >>>> cheaters in our radiosport hobby: W9WNV
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Does anyone now believe that any of the records below are
>     legitimate?
>     >>>> More than 30 of them are in he province of the CQ Contest
>     Committee
>     >>>> If so, please email me so I can sell you a bridge.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 1989 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) 4-th place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 1990 UT5UGR SO-SB (40m) 7-th place world.
>     >>>> AA DX SSB Contest 1990 RT1U M/S 1 place world.
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 1990 RT1U M/S 4-th place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 1991 UT5UGR SO-SB (20m) 5-th place world.
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 1991 RY1U M/S 2 place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> WAE SSB Contest 1991 RY1U M/S 2 place EU.
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 1992 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 6-th place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 1993 UT5UGR SO-CW 7-th place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 1995 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 4-th place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> WAE CW Contest 1995 RU1A M/S 1 place EU.
>     >>>> Russian DX Contest 2000 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 1 place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2000 UT5UGR SO-MB Assisted 7-th place
>     world.
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2001 UT5UGR SO-CW 10-th place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2002 UT5UGR SO-SB (20m) Assisted 2
>     place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2002 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) Assisted 2 place
>     world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX RTTY Contest 2003 EM0U M/M 3 place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2003 EN7Z M/S 7-th place world.
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2003 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 7-th place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2004 UU7J M/2 4-th place world.
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2004 UT5UGR SO-SSB 1 place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2004 UU7J M/S 1 place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2004 UU7J M/2 10-th place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2004 UU7J M/2 9-th place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2005 EM7J SO-SB (20m) 6-th place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest UU7J M/S 5-th place world.
>     >>>> WAE CW Contest 2005 UU7J M/S 3 place EU.
>     >>>> WAE SSB Contest 2005 UU7J M/S 2 place EU.
>     >>>> CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2005 UU7J M/S 1 place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2005 UU7J M/2 10-th place world.
>     >>>> WRTC 2006 PW5X 4-th place.
>     >>>> WAE SSB Contest 2006 UU7J M/S 3 place EU.
>     >>>> CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2006 UU7J M/M 2 place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2006 UU7J M/2 6-th place world.
>     >>>> Russian DX Contest 2007 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 7-th place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2007 UU7J M/2 5-th place world.
>     >>>> EU HF 2007 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 5-th place.
>     >>>> CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2007 UU7J M/M 2 place world.
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2008 HQ EM5HQ 2 place world.
>     >>>> EU HF 2008 UT5UGR SO-SSB 5-th place.
>     >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2008 V31WA SO HP 6-th place world.
>     >>>> ARRL DX CW Contest 2009 FM5KC SO HP 1 place world.
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2009 UT5UGR SO-SSB 1 place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2009 TO7A SO-AB HP 10-th place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2010 TO7A SO-AB HP 4-th place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest UT5UGR SO-SB (40m) HP Assisted 2 place
>     world.
>     >>>> CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2010 TO7A SO-AB HP 11-th place world, 3 NA.
>     >>>> ARRL DX SSB Contest 2011 TO7A SO HP 2 place world.
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2011 UT5UGR SO-CW 6-th place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2011 TO7A SO-AB HP 7-th place world, 2 NA.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2012 UT5UGR SO-SB (160m) HP 3 place world.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2012 UT5UGR SO-SB (160m) HP 1 place world.
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2012 UT5UGR SO-CW 4-th place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2012 TO7A SO-AB HP 6-th place world, 1 NA.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2012 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) HP 2 place world.
>     >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2013 UT5UGR SO-MIX 4-th place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2013 TO7A SO-AB HP 2 place world, 1 NA.
>     >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2013 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) HP 1 place world.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> 73
>     >>>> Frank
>     >>>> W3LPL
>     >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>     >>>>
>     >>>> From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu at w0mu.com>
>     >>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>     >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:48:34 PM
>     >>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
>     >>>>
>     >>>> I wonder exactly what you have to do to be given a lifetime
>     ban? This
>     >>>> was no accident. It was a blatant attempt to defraud the
>     entire contest
>     >>>> and process.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Some things are forgivable but this was planned and premeditated.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> This rotten apple should be tossed from the basket.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Mike W0MU
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> On 5/11/2015 11:11 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>     >>>>> Hi Felipe,
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Now that we all know how the 2014 TO7A log was padded with fake
>     >>>>> QSOs with stations who didn't send in their logs, the same
>     pattern can
>     >>>>> probably now be found in the public log for TO7A's "2013 North
>     >>>>> American Record" as well.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Its not hard to find more strings of fake QSOs padded into
>     the 2014
>     >>>>> TO7A public log, here's just one example:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0919 RN3GJ
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0919 G3ILO
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0920 G3LUW
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0920 F6CEL
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0921 9A2JG
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0921 OK1AHG
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0922 UT5URW
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0922 SM5AOG
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0923 HB9DAX
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0923 IZ2DVI
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0924 G0OGN
>     >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0924 IZ5AXA
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> 73
>     >>>>> Frank
>     >>>>> W3LPL
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>     >>>>> From: "Felipe J. Hernández" <np4zet at gmail.com>
>     >>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>     >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:41:17 AM
>     >>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> BIll,
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Dont feel too bad, he still has the North American record
>     from last
>     >> year
>     >>>>> where he beat these other fine operators
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> 1TO7A2013SO HP ALL13,765,575 7,916 161 564 48.0UT5UGR[Cert]
>     >>>>>
>     <http://cqww.com/certs/do_certificate.php?cl=TO7A&yr=2013&mode=CW
>     >>> 2V47T2014SO
>     >>>>> HP ALL13,548,784 7,772 161 527 48.0N2NT[Cert]
>     >>>>>
>     <http://cqww.com/certs/do_certificate.php?cl=V47T&yr=2014&mode=CW
>     >>> 3VE2IM2014SO
>     >>>>> HP ALL12,326,784 7,089 162 521 42.4VE3DZ[Cert]
>     >>>>>
>     <http://cqww.com/certs/do_certificate.php?cl=VE2IM&yr=2014&mode=CW
>     >>> 48P5A2013SO
>     >>>>> HP ALL12,265,446 7,294 154 515 48.0W2SC
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Thats an amazing achievement...
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> 73's
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Felipe
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 11:28:32 -0400
>     >>>>> From: K4XS via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>     >>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>     >>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
>     >>>>> Message-ID: <19da7e.5059234a.428224a0 at aol.com>
>     >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we seek to deceive.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Had he submitted a "clean" log he would have still swept
>     first place
>     >> for
>     >>>>> assisted. Now, his call is being dragged through the mud.
>     He's a great
>     >>>>> op,
>     >>>>> too bad.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> K4XS
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