[CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
Joe
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Fri May 15 17:20:18 EDT 2015
Thats all I was wondering, if the one time DQ or a penalty like the
quarterback is getting.
Joe WB9SBD
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On 5/15/2015 3:07 PM, Radio K0HB wrote:
> Joe, the penalty is that the man was DQ'd.
>
> When I was a lad and needed correction I got whatever penalty my Dad
> thought warranted. There was no "long for the future" whippings to
> come due. Rather the follow on often was "now let's go catch some
> fish for supper".
>
> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Joe <nss at mwt.net
> <mailto:nss at mwt.net>> wrote:
>
> Ok,
> A violator was found, and has been prosecuted by both the contest
> sponsors, and in the eyes of the rest of the contesting world.
> I may have missed this next part. But what is happening next? The
> station was DQ'ed from this years contest.
>
> OK,
>
> Now what if any penalties are imposed and for how long for the future?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
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> On 5/15/2015 6:51 AM, Mats Strandberg wrote:
> > Very well expressed Stan,
> >
> > Anyone that openly admits a mistake, apologizes for it, and
> expresses a
> > sincere desire to improve, could ultimately be forgiven (by most
> people at
> > least).
> >
> > However, and this is important, the person must come to that
> conclusion
> > himself, and then in public express his reasons for wrongdoing,
> and a
> > trustworthy plan how to change for the better.
> >
> > Let us hope that this process will develop into reality
> eventually. I
> > believe that cheaters who convert to becoming reliable and honest
> > competitors again, will also have an important roll in changing
> other
> > persons' behavior into the better. Without good examples of
> change, others
> > will think it is impossible.
> >
> > We are a community based on friendship, and we have an important
> function
> > to collectively bring people into the right thinking and ethics.
> If someone
> > fails, it is also our obligation to be there and support that
> person to
> > adjust behavior and return back to our community. To hunt a
> wounded wolf
> > until the end of the horizon might help us to "satisfy our wish for
> > revenge", but does it really make things better?
> >
> > One person is now taking the full blow, while there were dozens
> of cheaters
> > in the 2014 CQWW. All others are in some way protected by the
> exposed one,
> > even if their offence to our sport is the same or even worse.
> Log padding,
> > unclaimed assistance, power cheating is the same to me. Nothing
> is better,
> > nothing is worse.
> >
> > How many can with the hand on the heart say that they never
> cheated somehow
> > in sports, card games or in contesting. There are too many, way
> too big
> > amps out there, for all of us to be perfectly innocent. Running
> 3, 5 or 10
> > kW is nothing better than log padding or cheating with clusters
> or RBN. It
> > is still the same offence to those who practice 100% fair play
> contesting.
> >
> > 73 de RM2D, Mats
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2015-05-15 12:14 GMT+03:00 Stan Stockton <wa5rtg at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Yuri,
> >>
> >> This needed to be said. I doubt Frank was thinking very clearly
> when he
> >> listed anything other than single op entries or entries where
> the log
> >> submission was known to be in Dim's control and did not mean to
> cast doubt
> >> on anyone and everyone who has ever operated in the same room
> over the
> >> years.
> >>
> >> The committee had a strong enough belief regarding unclaimed
> assistance
> >> that they were willing to DQ. EA5RS found solid proof of an
> even more
> >> major crime they had apparently not found.
> >>
> >> This whole thing resembled a pack of wolves going after a
> wounded animal.
> >>
> >> I feel somewhat sorry for Dim. It's very sad since he appears
> to be good
> >> enough to perhaps win playing fair. I'm sure, like many of us,
> radio
> >> contesting is an important thing to him. He is ruined, but
> ultimately is
> >> to blame for the outcome.
> >>
> >> Whether the contest community as a whole is willing to ever
> forgive him if
> >> he is apologetic and proves he can reform his ways is a big
> question.
> >> Personally, I hope he confesses, apologizes and asks for
> forgiveness.
> >> Then, and only then, will we see.
> >>
> >> 73...Stan, K5GO
> >>
> >>> On May 14, 2015, at 7:39 AM, Yuri <ve3dz at rigexpert.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good morning Frank.
> >>> I see you listed UGR's WRTC results and also all his Multi Op
> >> participations below.
> >>> Do I understand you correctly that you also question all these
> scores?
> >>> Do you know that all WRTC teams had onsite referees who were
> monitoring
> >> teams audio live 24/hr?
> >>> For the record - UT5UGR was my partner at WRTC 2006. Do you
> suggest that
> >> the PW5X score you listed below is not legit? As well as all
> his other M/S
> >> and M/M participation?
> >>> Now all the people with whom he operated over the years are under
> >> suspicion?
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Yuri VE3DZ/W8
> >>>
> >>> P.S. You missed his 1996 WRTC score (K6K) where we were
> partners too and
> >> ended up being #32 (or 34?) and also UGR's WRTC 2000 score
> where he and his
> >> partner were outside of top ten...
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <donovanf at starpower.net>
> >>> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:31 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Mike,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Exactly the same log padding technique is present the the
> 2013 and 2014
> >>>> TO7A CQWW CW public logs. In both cases proven well beyond a
> >>>> reasonable doubt.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Many of UT5UGR's logs are public, available for crowdsourcing
> feedback.
> >>>> His log padding technique is now publicly known.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> There's a clear precedence for past and future actions
> against blatant
> >>>> cheaters in our radiosport hobby: W9WNV
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone now believe that any of the records below are
> legitimate?
> >>>> More than 30 of them are in he province of the CQ Contest
> Committee
> >>>> If so, please email me so I can sell you a bridge.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 1989 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) 4-th place world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 1990 UT5UGR SO-SB (40m) 7-th place world.
> >>>> AA DX SSB Contest 1990 RT1U M/S 1 place world.
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 1990 RT1U M/S 4-th place world.
> >>>>
> >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 1991 UT5UGR SO-SB (20m) 5-th place world.
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 1991 RY1U M/S 2 place world.
> >>>>
> >>>> WAE SSB Contest 1991 RY1U M/S 2 place EU.
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 1992 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 6-th place world.
> >>>>
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 1993 UT5UGR SO-CW 7-th place world.
> >>>>
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 1995 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 4-th place world.
> >>>>
> >>>> WAE CW Contest 1995 RU1A M/S 1 place EU.
> >>>> Russian DX Contest 2000 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 1 place world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2000 UT5UGR SO-MB Assisted 7-th place
> world.
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2001 UT5UGR SO-CW 10-th place world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2002 UT5UGR SO-SB (20m) Assisted 2
> place world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2002 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) Assisted 2 place
> world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX RTTY Contest 2003 EM0U M/M 3 place world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2003 EN7Z M/S 7-th place world.
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2003 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 7-th place world.
> >>>>
> >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2004 UU7J M/2 4-th place world.
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2004 UT5UGR SO-SSB 1 place world.
> >>>>
> >>>> CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2004 UU7J M/S 1 place world.
> >>>> CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2004 UU7J M/2 10-th place world.
> >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2004 UU7J M/2 9-th place world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2005 EM7J SO-SB (20m) 6-th place world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest UU7J M/S 5-th place world.
> >>>> WAE CW Contest 2005 UU7J M/S 3 place EU.
> >>>> WAE SSB Contest 2005 UU7J M/S 2 place EU.
> >>>> CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2005 UU7J M/S 1 place world.
> >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2005 UU7J M/2 10-th place world.
> >>>> WRTC 2006 PW5X 4-th place.
> >>>> WAE SSB Contest 2006 UU7J M/S 3 place EU.
> >>>> CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2006 UU7J M/M 2 place world.
> >>>> CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2006 UU7J M/2 6-th place world.
> >>>> Russian DX Contest 2007 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 7-th place world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2007 UU7J M/2 5-th place world.
> >>>> EU HF 2007 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 5-th place.
> >>>> CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2007 UU7J M/M 2 place world.
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2008 HQ EM5HQ 2 place world.
> >>>> EU HF 2008 UT5UGR SO-SSB 5-th place.
> >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2008 V31WA SO HP 6-th place world.
> >>>> ARRL DX CW Contest 2009 FM5KC SO HP 1 place world.
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2009 UT5UGR SO-SSB 1 place world.
> >>>>
> >>>> CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2009 TO7A SO-AB HP 10-th place world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2010 TO7A SO-AB HP 4-th place world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest UT5UGR SO-SB (40m) HP Assisted 2 place
> world.
> >>>> CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2010 TO7A SO-AB HP 11-th place world, 3 NA.
> >>>> ARRL DX SSB Contest 2011 TO7A SO HP 2 place world.
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2011 UT5UGR SO-CW 6-th place world.
> >>>>
> >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2011 TO7A SO-AB HP 7-th place world, 2 NA.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2012 UT5UGR SO-SB (160m) HP 3 place world.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2012 UT5UGR SO-SB (160m) HP 1 place world.
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2012 UT5UGR SO-CW 4-th place world.
> >>>>
> >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2012 TO7A SO-AB HP 6-th place world, 1 NA.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2012 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) HP 2 place world.
> >>>> IARU HF World Championship 2013 UT5UGR SO-MIX 4-th place world.
> >>>>
> >>>> CQ WW DX CW Contest 2013 TO7A SO-AB HP 2 place world, 1 NA.
> >>>> CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2013 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) HP 1 place world.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 73
> >>>> Frank
> >>>> W3LPL
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu at w0mu.com>
> >>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:48:34 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
> >>>>
> >>>> I wonder exactly what you have to do to be given a lifetime
> ban? This
> >>>> was no accident. It was a blatant attempt to defraud the
> entire contest
> >>>> and process.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some things are forgivable but this was planned and premeditated.
> >>>>
> >>>> This rotten apple should be tossed from the basket.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike W0MU
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 5/11/2015 11:11 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Felipe,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now that we all know how the 2014 TO7A log was padded with fake
> >>>>> QSOs with stations who didn't send in their logs, the same
> pattern can
> >>>>> probably now be found in the public log for TO7A's "2013 North
> >>>>> American Record" as well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Its not hard to find more strings of fake QSOs padded into
> the 2014
> >>>>> TO7A public log, here's just one example:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0919 RN3GJ
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0919 G3ILO
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0920 G3LUW
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0920 F6CEL
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0921 9A2JG
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0921 OK1AHG
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0922 UT5URW
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0922 SM5AOG
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0923 HB9DAX
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0923 IZ2DVI
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0924 G0OGN
> >>>>> QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0924 IZ5AXA
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> Frank
> >>>>> W3LPL
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Felipe J. Hernández" <np4zet at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:41:17 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BIll,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dont feel too bad, he still has the North American record
> from last
> >> year
> >>>>> where he beat these other fine operators
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1TO7A2013SO HP ALL13,765,575 7,916 161 564 48.0UT5UGR[Cert]
> >>>>>
> <http://cqww.com/certs/do_certificate.php?cl=TO7A&yr=2013&mode=CW
> >>> 2V47T2014SO
> >>>>> HP ALL13,548,784 7,772 161 527 48.0N2NT[Cert]
> >>>>>
> <http://cqww.com/certs/do_certificate.php?cl=V47T&yr=2014&mode=CW
> >>> 3VE2IM2014SO
> >>>>> HP ALL12,326,784 7,089 162 521 42.4VE3DZ[Cert]
> >>>>>
> <http://cqww.com/certs/do_certificate.php?cl=VE2IM&yr=2014&mode=CW
> >>> 48P5A2013SO
> >>>>> HP ALL12,265,446 7,294 154 515 48.0W2SC
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thats an amazing achievement...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 73's
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Felipe
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 11:28:32 -0400
> >>>>> From: K4XS via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> >>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
> >>>>> Message-ID: <19da7e.5059234a.428224a0 at aol.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we seek to deceive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Had he submitted a "clean" log he would have still swept
> first place
> >> for
> >>>>> assisted. Now, his call is being dragged through the mud.
> He's a great
> >>>>> op,
> >>>>> too bad.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> K4XS
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