[CQ-Contest] CQWW Proposed Rules

Keith Dutson kdutson at sbcglobal.net
Mon May 25 19:04:41 EDT 2015 

Randy,

You hit the nail on the head.  Although our Texas QSO Party Committee is
just a fraction of the CQWWCC, we also try to follow these very guidelines.
BTW, the number of paper logs has diminished in the past few years, allowing
less labor to get the final results posted.

73, Keith NM5G

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Randy Thompson K5ZD
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 5:28 PM
To: 'John Laney'; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Proposed Rules

The proposed rule says: "Stations competing for World and Continent awards
must provide actual frequencies for all contacts in the log."

This rule will apply to about 50-75 stations on each mode.

That leaves about 8000 entries on each mode that can keep doing what they
are doing.  

Option 2:  "All entries are encouraged to provide actual frequencies for all
contacts in the log."

The members of the CQWWCC are not stupid or uncaring.  We understand things
happen and not everyone is using the latest gear.  We still type in every
paper log that we receive.  We want people to participate in the contest,
have fun, and measure their skills by submitting a log.  Including
frequencies is helpful for the log checking, but that's it.  Help us by
including frequencies if you can.  

Fun!  It's that thing that happens when you use wireless to magically talk
to someone far away.

Randy, K5ZD



> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf 
> Of John Laney
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 9:37 PM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Proposed Rules
> 
> On 5/25/2015 2:23 PM, Joe wrote:
> > Not having a radio that tells my logger N1MM my frequencies I guess 
> > I'm screwed?
> > Also just for the fun of it. I just made 2 bogus contacts using the 
> > logger for next weekend and on qso I entered in the window 21032 and 
> > the logger took it fine and even as usual thinks CW and then made 
> > another one that I told it the freq is 21046,  this is what it spit 
> > out in the cabrillo file.
> >
> > CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.4905.0
> > QSO: 21000 CW 2015-05-22 0229 WB9SBD        599 0001   K9SB 599 0001
> > QSO: 21000 CW 2015-05-25 1816 WB9SBD        599 0002   KA9CHM 599 0008
> > END-OF-LOG:
> >
> > Now would having a radio that actually tells the program what freq 
> > I'm on would it change the 21000 to the real freq?
> >
> > Joe WB9SBD
> >
> > On 5/25/2015 8:38 AM, w2lc at twcny.rr.com wrote:
> >> CQWW rules changes
> >>
> >> The Good
> >> 1)    SO non-assisted
> >> 2)    classic category
> >> 3)    club circle change - I may be able to join a real contest club
> now
> >>
> >> The Bad
> >> 1)    exact frequencies - non-compliance means you are a check log.
> >> "A log without all required information may be reclassified to 
> >> check log"
> >> 2)    no audio = DQ. "provide a complete recording of the contest
> >> operation audio as heard by the operator. Failure to do so may 
> >> result in the entry being disqualified"
> >> 3) 5 day log deadline
> >>
> >> So before I even turn on my radio I am either a check log and 
> >> possibly DQed, if I score well enough. With a serious effort I will 
> >> be a check log at best.  Gee thanks
> >>
> >> Questions I wish Randy would answer
> >> 1) How many do not log exact frequencies? this can be derived from 
> >> the logs
> >> 2) How many record the audio?   Randy does this anyone else?
> >> 3) How many miss the 5 day deadline?
> >>
> >> KE3X said "If you want to retain SOAB Unassisted and have results 
> >> that mean something, then logging the frequency for each QSO and 
> >> recording your effort is the price of admission".
> >>
> >> Be careful what you ask for.  If these rules are implemented and 
> >> followed here is what may happen
> >>
> >> No exact frequencies = check log     exactly why I do not operate RDXC
> >> No audio recording = DQ
> >> Not everyone has the two capabilities mentioned above or wants to 
> >> go through the trouble.
> >>
> >> These two rules relegate 99% to the status of participant since 
> >> they are no longer considered a competitive entry (for not 
> >> complying)
> >>
> >> Kind of like being a walker in the Boston marathon or a 5k
> >>
> >> I am actually training for a 5k, a lot of similarities to radio
> contests
> >>     various categories, wide variety of different people involved, 
> >> various levels of competitiveness
> >>
> >> But unlike radio contesting,
> >> if I win my category I will not be a checklog because I used last 
> >> year's sneakers And I don't have to supply a video of my run
> >>
> >> The exact frequency and recording rules are punishing the many due 
> >> to the cheating of a few.  The contest committee may have won the 
> >> battle but may be losing the war by declaring 99% to be ineligible 
> >> before the contest even starts.
> >>
> >> So Dink, how about I fly out to Seattle and you and I go out to 
> >> dinner on November 28 and reminisce about the good old times. That 
> >> seafood place on the waterfront looks good
> >>
> >> 73 Scott W2LC
> >>
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> >> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listiI fo/cq-contest I am 
> >> mystified why some versions of N1MM seem to do what Joe says about 
> >> changing the manually entered frequencies to 000 when the Cabrillo 
> >> file is created.  I am looking at a Cabrillo log for this year's FL 
> >> QSO Party for W4AN/M.  We had RFI problems and, after the first few 
> >> minutes, we lost rig control.  Every time we chanaged bands, we 
> >> entered the exact frequency.  We made only a few S&P QSOs.
> >> The Cabrillo file shows the frequency we enetered as our run 
> >> frequency each time we changed bands. This was some version of N1MM 
> >> and was not N1MM+.  If this is some improvement that has been made 
> >> to
> >> N1MM+, someone should correct it back to what it did for us in FQP.
> >> 73, John, K4BAI.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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