[CQ-Contest] Remote op & Who is this guy, really?

[Richard F DiDonna NN3W]

Excellent points Mike.

These remotes that are being offered now are usually offered in "first 
world" localities with a resident ham on site, dedicated power mains, 
fiber optic internet connections (meaning at least 5 MBPs speed), and 
relatively benign weather.

Consider the weather on Bouvet, Kingman Reef, or other locality.

A remote station might last a month using a satellite connection and 
installed antenna.  Good luck on the power source.  Solar generation 
doesnt get you very far on Bouvet.

73 Rich NN3W

On 11/5/2015 3:20 PM, W0MU wrote:
> Please feel free to put a remote station in Bovet or any other rare DX 
> and see how that works out for you.  I don't think you have a clue how 
> much work needs to go into your pie in the sky example.
>
> Whether a section is rare or not has no relevant meaning.  The rules 
> allow this.  Rare is subjective.  What is rare for you may not be rare 
> to me or the next guy.  So you would rather VY1 not be on the air at all?
>
> So you would be ok with me running a remote station in the very unrare 
> section of Colorado?  Sounds Hypocritical to me.
>
> You do realize that remote operations are allowing people to operate, 
> legally and fully within the rules who might not otherwise be able 
> to?  You are ok with this?  So you would rather have less people 
> operating in a contest.  Curious.
>
> What is bogus?  Who said it?  You realize that the vast majority of 
> people are for remote operations, which is why the rules allow it. It 
> is only a few that tend to complain constantly about it.
>
> The hobby has changed dramatically since the early 1900's.  I would 
> guess those amateurs might not recognize what Amateur radio is today 
> vs what it was back then.
>
> What limits?  The FCC allows this and so do the rules.  Exactly what 
> is wrong here?  Someone is operating a radio station in a far off 
> place from his living room.  This is pretty damn cool and something 
> that actually could be "sold".
>
> W0MU
>
>
> On 11/4/2015 9:02 AM, Drew Vonada-Smith wrote:
>> Friends,
>>
>>   I had to take this opportunity after the comment about the end of 
>> rare sections...
>>
>>   I think all this remote work, trying to help J. etc is interesting 
>> and wonderful and I really don't mean to be negative.  But...what is 
>> the point of a "rare section" if you don't have to be there to 
>> operate?  Doesn't this in many ways, miss the point of a multiplier?
>>
>>   As an analogous example, what if a DXpedition were to put up an 
>> automated station in Bouvet, and operate it from home? Bouvet becomes 
>> common.  What have we really achieved?  HF propagation to Bouvet was 
>> never really the point, was it?
>>
>>   I'm not a Luddite, I get the interest, good intentions, and 
>> technical achievement in all this.  It sounds fun!  But as a test to 
>> see if I was just narrow-minded or a fuddy-duddy, I ran this remote 
>> idea past a few non-hams who know just enough about contesting to 
>> understand.  The comments I received were:
>>
>>   - That's bogus
>>
>> - That's cheating
>>
>> - You guys have lost your way
>>
>>   Can't say I disagree.  Food for thought.  Not to stop such 
>> operations, progress will always move forward, but to try and 
>> recognize what it all means and establish limits.
>>
>>   73,
>>
>> Drew K3PA
>>   -----Original message-----
>> From:Art Boyars <artboyars at gmail.com>
>> Sent:Wed 11-04-2015 09:21 am
>> Subject:[CQ-Contest] Who is this guy, really?
>> To:CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>;
>>
>> W1VE said:  "Thanks to a lot of work from J and the remote team, Hal, 
>> W1NN,
>> will operate [VY1AAA] SOHP in November SS via remote from his home in 
>> Ohio."
>>
>> OK, so "Hal, W1NN" will operate a NT station from his home in Ohio.
>>
>> But for the past many contests "Hal" has purportedly operated "W1NN" in
>> Ohio ... remotely from Japan.  (You could look it up.)
>>
>> Can we believe that "Hal" is really where he says he is, or that the
>> station is where it claims to be, or even who he says he is?
>>
>> (In case I'm too subtle, that was a joke.)
>>
>> And Gerry will be (actually, physically) at K2LE in VT.  Could that be
>> competition for W1SJ?
>>
>> Are we about to see the end of rare Sections in SS?  (Not a joke.)
>>
>> 73, Art K3KU
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