[CQ-Contest] Why some Caribbean Islands compete as South America at CQWW and other contests

[PY2LED - Fernando]

Dear Colleagues, Good day!

 

I really appreciate all messages sent, each individual point of view,
sharing opinions, suggestions all with education and fully respect. 

 

Join a contest like CQWW and CQWPX continues fine, exciting and I will
always try to participate.  Recently we constructed a contest station near
Sao Paulo and we knows very well what's the costs involved and the extras
when we are in islands etc. We are always looking for a plaque, this is our
target and probably from all of us.  What a pleasure when we look to the
wall on the near future and see a lot of plaques from main contests
worldwide. We are proud of that. 

 

But of course, in some categories, depending on your location and station
setup, before contest starts, you already know to reach that plaque will not
be possible. Here from Southeast part of Brazil, we know that is not
possible at Multi-Multi, Multi-Two, Multi-Single...we always will loose due
to our distance to the main ham population centers/countries like USA, EU,
Japan in the Low Bands. Ok, we will have our country and continental
competition what's fine. But how to become number one worldwide having the
best antennas, radios, amps, towers, cables, automation, operators etc?

 

To turn what I'm saying more easy to check and understand, let's please have
a look at the Claimed score from CQWWSSB at Multi Operators categories took
from 3830scores.com (where we can compare up to 5 stations):

 

Multi-Two:


 

 

 

 

Totals

160

80

40

20

15

10


Call

Edition

Class

Power

Score

QSOs

Zones

Countries

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt


CN2R  

2015-Oct 24  

M/2  

HP

39,368,266

14202

187

744

250

10

49

1513

27

107

2100

35

122

2142

39

156

4162

38

154

4035

38

156


CN3A  

2015-Oct 24  

M/2  

HP

38,007,784

14152

176

725

62

8

45

908

21

94

2178

34

125

3123

38

150

3727

38

152

4154

37

159


PJ4Q  

2015-Oct 24  

M/2  

HP

24,770,768

11247

155

593

63

11

30

504

19

77

1561

28

110

2341

34

131

3323

32

121

3455

31

124


C4A  

2015-Oct 24  

M/2  

HP

21,237,810

8903

166

668

99

8

44

493

15

72

1414

32

114

2087

37

147

2235

38

136

2574

36

155


PX2A  

2015-Oct 24  

M/2  

HP

18,302,109

8847

157

550

0

0

0

45

14

27

425

29

92

1939

37

144

2777

39

141

3661

38

146

 

 

Multi-Multi:


 

 

 

 

 

Totals

160

80

40

20

15

10


Call

Edition

Class

Power

Score

QSOs

Zones

Countries

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt


CN2AA  

2015-Oct 24  

M/M  

HP

74,585,700

23815

207

843

894

21

85

2324

31

117

3597

37

142

5814

39

164

5656

39

169

5530

40

166


HK1NA  

2015-Oct 24  

M/M  

HP

33,727,337

13867

176

657

282

16

54

629

21

80

2029

33

121

3489

37

143

3347

36

135

4030

33

124


K3LR  

2015-Oct 24  

M/M  

HP

32,520,150

12593

195

786

468

19

61

859

27

99

2375

36

137

3377

39

174

3222

40

168

2293

34

147


PJ2T  

2015-Oct 24  

M/M  

HP

29,789,720

13433

165

595

183

14

27

662

70

26

1928

30

107

2900

37

136

3899

34

127

3861

30

122


ZW5B(@PY5EG)  

2015-Oct 24  

M/M  

HP

23,497,290

9972

177

633

4

3

3

127

19

40

914

38

125

2225

39

152

2826

39

158

3876

39

155

 

 

Multi-Single HP:


 

 

 

 

 

Totals

160

80

40

20

15

10


Call

Edition

Class

Power

Score

QSOs

Zones

Countries

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt


EF8R  

2015-Oct 24  

M/S  

HP

33,168,016

11973

183

749

88

11

54

642

21

93

1655

37

126

2433

38

156

2205

38

156

4950

38

164


CR3A  

2015-Oct 24  

M/S  

HP

28,153,224

10468

183

719

97

13

56

658

24

96

874

34

116

2404

38

147

2205

37

149

4230

37

155


P33W  

2015-Oct 24  

M/S  

HP

27,119,096

10267

182

734

188

11

60

468

20

86

1276

36

126

2670

38

154

2328

40

153

3337

37

155


PJ4X(@PJ4G)  

2015-Oct 24  

M/S  

HP

19,354,856

8334

168

620

12

4

11

533

25

87

941

30

112

1697

37

135

2169

38

139

2982

34

136


LT1F  

2015-Oct 24  

M/S  

HP

11,336,365

5771

158

519

4

3

4

20

11

19

532

33

102

1164

37

125

960

38

132

3091

36

137

 

Multi-Single LP:


 

 

 

 

 

Totals

160

80

40

20

15

10


Call

Edition

Class

Power

Score

QSOs

Zones

Countries

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt

Q

Z

Cnt


FY5KE  

2015-Oct 24  

M/S  

LP

14,427,004

6817

159

563

3

3

3

200

19

58

516

29

107

1835

36

136

1523

36

128

2740

36

131


VP9I(@VP9GE)  

2015-Oct 24  

M/S  

LP

7,018,557

4771

135

476

187

7

10

504

15

61

1119

25

93

1192

32

114

1230

31

105

539

25

93


EF7X(@EA7PP)  

2015-Oct 24  

M/S  

LP

5,684,625

3582

152

623

49

9

49

87

15

75

523

23

99

900

37

131

1012

36

131

1011

32

136


KP4BD  

2015-Oct 24  

M/S  

LP

5,138,128

3856

131

437

13

3

11

116

13

49

346

21

70

784

33

115

1655

32

102

942

29

90


PR1T(@PY1NB)  

2015-Oct 24  

M/S  

LP

4,129,990

2787

118

396

2

2

2

3

2

3

112

25

77

550

32

108

801

30

102

1318

27

104

 

 

After to compare all this numbers, based in the Southeast of South America,
I arrived on the following points:

-          Ocean Islands and countries at EU and USA boundaries dominated
this categories;

 

-          Qsos/points from the South of South America, South of Africa and
etc from lower latitudes on the higher bands like 10m and 15m sometimes
arrives near qso/points amounts from the Winners BUT the qsos/points at
lower bands starting sometimes on 20m but mainly on 40m, 80m and 160m is
impossible to arrive closer. There is an abysm of difference.  Here we have
a question of propagation mixed with distances, right? If yes, why not to
suggest and/or propose new rules considering this issue?

 

-          Stations located in the boundaries of the main ham population
centers/countries like Caribbean Islands, Mediterranean islands and
countries located in the north of South America, North of Africa and other
similar areas looking to the North of the world will also do a lot more on
40/80/160 meters AND ALSO will do a lot on the high bands, counting 3
points/qso.  

 

-          If you are able to construct a super contest station in a rare
and excellent DX location (inland or offshore) with excellent openings
during the whole 24 hours to EU and NA (this should be nice), probably will
be on the top. But and all other stations under different conditions? Will
compete on this category the whole life without chances? 

 

-          So the conclusion here is that stations located far way from the
main ham population centers/countries (outside this continents) at higher
and lower latitudes normally do very small and limited amount of
qsos/countries/zones in 40m, 80m and 160m  that is NOT compensated by far in
10m, 15m and 20m.

One possible solution could be to create a new category called "Islands" and
separate it per continent.  We will have Islands Winners per Continents and
also an World Islands Rank. One problem solved! 

 

The second situation, regarding this countries inland, located on the
boundaries of EU or NA (North of South America/North of Africa/etc)...we
should think in one way to balance the monsters/unbeatable scores.  If we
don't do nothing to balance, competition will be always boring for the rest
of the world. Let's do barbecue, beer and have fun.  

 

Thanks again for sharing ideas and taking your time with this issue, but
it's very important. 

 

Hope to listen all of you during the next contests and some DX calls. 

 

Have a nice weekend.

 

 

73's

 

Fernando F. R. Cordoba - PY2LED

Alto da Serra Contest Station

PX2A - PX2B

 <mailto:py2led at fuertesind.com.br> py2led at fuertesind.com.br

 <http://www.altodaserradx.com/> www.altodaserradx.com

 

 

 

 

2015-11-05 2:21 GMT+03:00 Fernando PY2LED <py2led at fuertesind.com.br>:

Hello Dear Contesters, good day!

I was analyzing results from CQWW, CQWPX and in some categories we can see
some nice records made by stations located in the Caribean Islands. Some of
this islands counts like South America.

It is extremelly difficult or impossible to beat their scores from South of
Brazil, Argentina, Uruguai, Paraguai and other south countries due to the
big distances to the main countries lime USA and some European countries.
Also during the main contests, we have only one station (one multiplier) in
some of this islands like Bonaire, Aruba etc and everybody will try the qso.

I would like to understand if's there an explanation or criteria why they
are located in South America for this contests. When we go to some Geography
books, some autors gives reason why they don't include such islands at South
America and they do like Caribean islands.

Maybe this example applies to other parts of the world.  Why not to create
an Islands Category or Central America or so?

Would like to share and listen opinions about this issue.

Many thanks and best 73's


> Fernando Cordoba | PY2LED | PX2B
> Sao Caetano do Sul | SP | Brasil
> GG66rj
> py2led at fuertesind.com.br
> www.altodaserradx.com.br
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