[CQ-Contest] Why SuperCheckPartial makes you assisted

[VE2TZT]

For those who did not understand, ''generating your own electricity'' 
was ironic to say that if you open that door with SCP versus assistance, 
you will always find someone more purist than you to push step by step 
the limit deeper until we reach the absurdity.

Coming back to the DSP sofware versus SCP data base (and its associated 
logging software) they both '' help to make a contact through QRM/QRN 
more quickly than I otherwise would have been able to do purely by 
myself'' and they are both containing knowledge from other people and 
often generated by others.

Then as this argument is very disturbing one can try to make a 
distinction introducing the notion of callsign signature file in favor 
of database (versus noise signature file for the DSP).

Technically, the callsign history file helps your brain to decode better 
because it changes the probability you have to decode a signal rather 
than an other one as you are doing an autocorrelation with your brain. 
The DSP does the autocorrelation for you, it is then even worst in term 
of operating skill help.
But in the imagination of the operator as he does not know what is 
happening inside the radio that fact cannot hurt his consciousness. On 
the other hand it is obviously not the case of a callsign listing on the 
screen in front of the eyes giving to some the feeling of cheating.

Personally I do not make any distinction between all those helps, I just 
respect the rules as every competitor are on the same advantage. Many 
sponsors have even never created a different category between assisted 
and non-assisted that save many debates and many wasted time to detect 
cheaters.

Gilles VA2EW



On 24/11/2015 13:38, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> Your absurd examples have nothing to do with the EXCHANGE.  The 
> contest rules require the exchange (of which the callsign is arguably 
> the most important) to be completed solely by the operator and solely 
> during the contest.  In my opinion, SCP ... and "Call History" files 
> that are often generated by others ... fall outside of that 
> definition.  Nothing in the contest rules say anything about DSP or 
> generating your own electricity ... they do say a lot about how you 
> are supposed to accomplish a valid exchange.
>
> This has nothing to do with "good old times addicts".   Slurs like 
> that are a pretty cheap debating tactic and I'm pretty certain that my 
> setup (rig, computer, software) is at least as modern as yours. It's 
> simply a point of view on a spirit-of-the-rule interpretation. I've 
> operated many contests in an assisted category, and I've operated even 
> more contests using SCP.  I can say with some experience, though, that 
> on occasion SCP helped me make a contact through QRM/QRN more quickly 
> than I otherwise would have been able to do purely by myself.   I can 
> get a fill on a the last letter or two of a JA callsign with greater 
> than 90% assurance that it is accurate ... even if I don't hear it.
>
> I used the term "inappropriate" in my original post.  Using SCP is 
> perfectly legal in almost every contest, and as I say I've used it 
> myself.  I just happen to agree with K6TU that it feels inappropriate 
> when I'm operating unassisted.
>
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 11/24/2015 10:22 AM, VE2TZT wrote:
>> Always the same topic coming back periodically from ''old good 
>> times'' addicts.
>>
>> Very symptomatic : ''because SCP uses information ... compiled by 
>> others'' That looks pretty like the definition of a .EXE software.
>>
>> In this case I am assisted because :
>>
>> -I use a radio with some piece of software in it, which means every 
>> radio made today.
>> -I use a memory keyer
>> -I use a computer
>> -I use a logging software
>> -I use a DSP
>>
>> Perhaps it is not enough for some, I should build my radio by myself 
>> or perhaps even produce my own electricity
>>
>> Yes... while I am transmitting, somewhere people are working at 
>> producing my electricity so they are assisting me.
>>
>> Not mentioning my wife bringing my sandwich during the contest that 
>> is even worst that ''assisted'' we are directly jumping to 
>> ''multiop'' category.
>>
>> Actually what you want guys is to come back to 60's just with just a 
>> tube radio, a pen and sheets of paper to be allowed to enter in non 
>> assisted category.
>>
>> BTW what about the guy who rent a station and just have to put his 
>> butt in the chair ? Is he assisted ?
>>
>> Gilles VA2EW
>>
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