[CQ-Contest] new scores in standings

Mon Oct 5 02:30:00 EDT 2015

Hi Terry,

WPX rules are clear and I never said the late log statement was missing or what so ever.
I herein wanted to discuss removing WRTC Score based on "late log" remark.
My score is listed in the DB and wasn't reclassified as Checklog.
Means WPX has accepted my log and confirmed my score.
Late log means ONLY no certificate. I can't see how this can be the basis of removing WRTC points.

73

Ash 3V8BB/KF5EYY

Sent from my iPhone

> On 05 Oct 2015, at 01:28, Terry Zivney <n4tz at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> The rules of the CQ WPX Contest state clearly that
> "C. Logs submitted or postmarked after the deadline may be listed in the results, but are not eligible for awards."
> 
> This means not eligible for first place, second place, or last place
> awards.  (The online certificate generator for CQ WPX will print
> certificates for all places for valid entrees.)  Once upon a time,
> when logs were received after the deadline, their scores were not reported at all.  The CQ WPX Contest (and also, I believe) the CQ WW Contest want to use all possible means to adjudicate the contest. That means we want everyone's log, even those that choose not to meet all
> the rules of the contest.  We even provide feedback to everyone
> who sends in a log by scoring the log and provided Log Checking
> Reports for each log so that operators can improve their performance
> in the future.
> 
> The Raw scores or Claimed scores are just that: scores that have
> not been checked to determine what their final scores would be.  
> 
> The log deadline was announced months before the CQ WPX contest.  No
> rules were changed after the contest.   
> 
> Terry Zivney, N4TZ
> CQ WPX Contest Director
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, October 4, 2015 6:58 PM, Rudy Bakalov via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> The way I look at this, other than the WRTC2018 event itself, WRTC does not assign points on its own. That is, they depend on other contest organizers, such as WPX, to assign points and determine if participants have followed the rules.
> 
> In your case, WRTC has overruled WPX, even though WRTC has no authority over WPX. Sure, WRTC can maintain their current position on many valid concerns- "Our way or the highway"- but is indeed unfair.
> 
> I have no horse in this game. As an observer, I have the feeling WRTC forgets that the event is all about the competitors, not the organizers.  There have been quite a few thoughtful comments from well respected competitors whose feedback has been met with "These are our rules, they are set in stone, and too bad if you don't like them".
> 
> Rudy N2WQ
> 
> Sent using a tiny keyboard.  Please excuse brevity, typos, or inappropriate autocorrect.
> 
> 
> > On Oct 4, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Ashraf Chaabane <ash.kf5eyy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, and I don't think this is fair!
> > 
> > 73
> > 
> > Ash 3V8BB/KF5EYY
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On 04 Oct 2015, at 21:35, Rudy Bakalov <r_bakalov at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Ash,
> >> 
> >> Are you saying that WPX accepted and published your score, but WRTC chose to not accept it?
> >> 
> >> Rudy N2WQ
> >> 
> >> Sent using a tiny keyboard.  Please excuse brevity, typos, or inappropriate autocorrect.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Ashraf CHAABANE <ash.kf5eyy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Dear Ulf,
> >>> 
> >>> This rule of removing WRTC points for 'late log' was added recently. I can't
> >>> see if this is a good practice to update rules while qualification race is
> >>> ongoing.
> >>> 
> >>> I sent my log few hours after the deadline, HOWEVER: I'm compliant with WPX
> >>> rules, my log is valid, my QSOs are confirmed, my score is listed (was not
> >>> re-classified as a Checklog!). I simply won't receive a paper certificate.
> >>> This is very disappointing that I'm punished two times. 
> >>> 
> >>> Personally, I do 260 km to operate every contest and a lot of arrangements
> >>> are made to free up time. Then I see zero WRTC points.
> >>> 
> >>> By the way, Africa is split in two separate areas however one TL will be
> >>> selected. That means, a competitor from South West Africa can have ALL WRTC
> >>> points each contest with only few QSOs made and get qualified, while those
> >>> in North Africa where competition is hot will stay home.
> >>> I didn't comment on that previously, I understood that rules are made and I
> >>> should respect them. But please consider re-visiting this new rule of "late
> >>> log".
> >>> 
> >>> Appreciate the efforts you are doing to make WRTC2018 a successful event!
> >>> 
> >>> vy73
> >>> --
> >>> Ash KF5EYY
> >>> Op. 3V8SS, 3V8BB
> >>> www.kf5eyy.info
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> 
> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 22:36:38 +0200
> >>> From: "DL5AXX, WRTC2018" <dl5axx at wrtc2018.de>
> >>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com, rrdxa at mailman.qth.net,
> >>>  bcc at bavarian-contest-club.de, wrtc2018 at lists.wrtc2018.de
> >>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] new scores in standings
> >>> Message-ID: <560D9956.2000109 at wrtc2018.de>
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> >>> 
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>> 
> >>> even added WAE SSB claimed and RDXC finals. Points for 'late logs' from the
> >>> CQ WPX SSB are removed (see FAQ -
> >>> http://www.wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/wettbewerb-2).
> >>> 
> >>> Current standings at
> >>> http://www.wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/wettbewerb-2/standings-2
> >>> 
> >>> 73 Ulf, DL5AXX
> >>> WRTC2018 qualifications
> >>> 
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