[CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net

Jorge Diez - CX6VM cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com
Tue Apr 5 08:14:03 EDT 2016


would be good, at least to stop all the same topic every 2-3 months :-)

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

2016-04-05 9:07 GMT-03:00 Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd at charter.net>:

> There is another option...  Rather than continue to get twisted in defining
> the separation, we could merge SO and SOA into one and remove all
> confusion.
> There could be an overlay category for the guys who want to compare
> themselves to other "classic" ops.
>
> It seems only CQ, ARRL, and SAC maintain the assisted concept.  The rest of
> the world has moved on.
>
> Randy, K5ZD
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> > Paul O'Kane
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:26 PM
> > To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
> >
> > On 05/04/2016 11:54, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry, Ron, but I totally disagree.  If it doesn't *assist* someone to
> > > watch a scoreboard without band breakdown information (and it
> > > doesn't), then it is not *assistance*.
> >
> > We're going round in circles here with everyone interpreting "assist",
> > "assistance" and "Assisted"
> > as they, personally, think it should be defined.
> >
> > All relevant technology assists.
> >
> > The main difference between the "Assisted" and "Unassisted" categories
> > has always been whether you connect to external networks to improve your
> > score or gain a competitive advantage.
> >
> > That's why, IMHO, the categories should change to Connected and
> > Unconnected.  That would appear to remove most uncertainty and ambiguity.
> >
> >    * You use the cluster - you're Connected.
> >    * You use the RBN - you're Connected.
> >    * You use real-time scoreboards, or any other
> >      networked technology, to influence or
> >      modify your strategy - you're Connected.
> >
> > It's really simple - you're either Connected or Unconnected.
> >
> > I know and accept that local decoders and skimmer- like technology would
> > continue to be "Connected".
> > That's why I referred to "the main difference"
> > above.
> >
> > 73,
> > Paul EI5DI
> >
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> > >
> > > 73, Pete N4ZR
> > > Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
> > > <http://N1MM.hamdocs.com>. Check
> > > out the Reverse Beacon Network at
> > > <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> > > spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> > > For spots, please use your favorite
> > > "retail" DX cluster.
> > >
> > > On 4/5/2016 12:52 AM, Fco. Luis Delgadillo wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Enviado desde mi Huawei de Telcel
> > >> Ron
> > >> A couple of questions:
> > >>
> > >> Have you tried yourself the live scoreboard.
> > >>
> > >> The Best way to finding  out,  is perhaps, if you try the scoreboard
> > >> and then have an informed opinion - to discern facts from gut
> > feelings?
> > >>
> > >> -------- Mensaje original --------
> > >> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
> > >> De: Ron Notarius W3WN
> > >> Para: 'Pete Smith N4ZR' ,'CQ Contest'
> > >> CC:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     But here's the thing Pete.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     When you receive that information. how did you get it? Where did
> > >>     it come
> > >>     from? You said yourself. "You must decide to post your score" and
> > >> what
> > >>     other information is to be posted for use by other operators.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     So ultimately, the answer is. it came from other operators who are
> > >>     posting
> > >>     that information. How is that not assisted?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     Look, I don't have a problem with the scoreboard or similar
> > >>     exchanges of
> > >>     information. I'm not saying that the software that provides the
> > >>     capability
> > >>     should be disabled.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     Just please don't tell me that it's not "assisted" and using it
> > >>     doesn't put
> > >>     you into an Assisted or equivalent operating category. It is. (Or
> > >>     to put
> > >>     it in the vernacular, don't spill a drink on my slacks and then
> > >>     tell me it's
> > >>     raining.)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     Sometimes I operate Single Op/Assisted. Sometimes I don't. The
> > >>     reasons why
> > >>     vary depending on the event in question and how I am choosing to
> > >>     approach
> > >>     it. I'm comfortable with either category these days. I just don't
> > >>     pretend
> > >>     one is the other. And I don't ask that the line between them be
> > >>     blurred.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     Either you are assisted. or you aren't. It is that simple.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     73, ron w3wn
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     _____
> > >>
> > >>     From: Pete Smith N4ZR [mailto:n4zr at contesting.com]
> > >>     Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:01 PM
> > >>     To: Ron Notarius W3WN; CQ Contest
> > >>     Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     Ron, at least in the case of cqcontest.net and users of MM+, this
> > >>     isn't
> > >>     true. You must decideB to post your score, and you can decide (in
> > >> MM+)
> > >>     whether or not to include a band breakdown.B Without band
> > >> information,
> > >>     access to this resource is nothing but fun, and should not be
> > >>     considered
> > >>     assistance.B Perhaps the sponsors could voluntarily disable the
> > band
> > >>     breakdown display during contest weekends, and the whole issue
> > >>     would go
> > >>     away.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     73, Pete N4ZR
> > >>     Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
> > >>     . Check
> > >>     out the Reverse Beacon Network at
> > >>     , now
> > >>     spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> > >>     For spots, please use your favorite
> > >>     "retail" DX cluster.
> > >>
> > >>     On 4/4/2016 8:16 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
> > >>
> > >>     ...The scoreboard is directly based on spotting information.
> > >>     Therefore,
> > >>     information derived from it is (IMHO) assistance for the purposes
> > >>     of most
> > >>     contests that recognize this category.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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73,
Jorge
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