[CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net

Tue Apr 5 21:58:12 EDT 2016

Randy,

Will you want to create a rule that separates those who use some fancy software and sequencing equipment to run stations at a faster rate than has ever been achieved by a human while picking off every available multiplier from those just using "normal assistance" or just wait to see who has the best software to define the winners?  How fast do we want that to happen in the name of advancement of technology?

This is absolutely ridiculous, in my opinion.  Those who want to have code readers, automated QSO making software, the RBN telling them what frequency everyone is on, sorting out which ones are new multipliers, etc. have been accommodated.  Were those those who wanted to use assistance subjected to an "overlay" category or did they have their own category?

What really good reason (and it needs to be a REALLY good one) is there to make it less fun for those who want to operate the way they love to operate?  Answer?

Is there anyone saying that they will think about quitting if they are not lumped into the same category with "assisted" operators?

For the love of God, please live and let live.  

73... Stan, K5GO

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 7:07 AM, Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> There is another option...  Rather than continue to get twisted in defining
> the separation, we could merge SO and SOA into one and remove all confusion.
> There could be an overlay category for the guys who want to compare
> themselves to other "classic" ops.
> 
> It seems only CQ, ARRL, and SAC maintain the assisted concept.  The rest of
> the world has moved on.
> 
> Randy, K5ZD
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>> Paul O'Kane
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:26 PM
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
>> 
>>> On 05/04/2016 11:54, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, Ron, but I totally disagree.  If it doesn't *assist* someone to
>>> watch a scoreboard without band breakdown information (and it
>>> doesn't), then it is not *assistance*.
>> 
>> We're going round in circles here with everyone interpreting "assist",
>> "assistance" and "Assisted"
>> as they, personally, think it should be defined.
>> 
>> All relevant technology assists.
>> 
>> The main difference between the "Assisted" and "Unassisted" categories
>> has always been whether you connect to external networks to improve your
>> score or gain a competitive advantage.
>> 
>> That's why, IMHO, the categories should change to Connected and
>> Unconnected.  That would appear to remove most uncertainty and ambiguity.
>> 
>>   * You use the cluster - you're Connected.
>>   * You use the RBN - you're Connected.
>>   * You use real-time scoreboards, or any other
>>     networked technology, to influence or
>>     modify your strategy - you're Connected.
>> 
>> It's really simple - you're either Connected or Unconnected.
>> 
>> I know and accept that local decoders and skimmer- like technology would
>> continue to be "Connected".
>> That's why I referred to "the main difference"
>> above.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Paul EI5DI
>> 
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>>> 
>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
>>> <http://N1MM.hamdocs.com>. Check
>>> out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>>> <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>>> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>> 
>>>> On 4/5/2016 12:52 AM, Fco. Luis Delgadillo wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Enviado desde mi Huawei de Telcel
>>>> Ron
>>>> A couple of questions:
>>>> 
>>>> Have you tried yourself the live scoreboard.
>>>> 
>>>> The Best way to finding  out,  is perhaps, if you try the scoreboard
>>>> and then have an informed opinion - to discern facts from gut
>> feelings?
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Mensaje original --------
>>>> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
>>>> De: Ron Notarius W3WN
>>>> Para: 'Pete Smith N4ZR' ,'CQ Contest'
>>>> CC:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    But here's the thing Pete.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    When you receive that information. how did you get it? Where did
>>>>    it come
>>>>    from? You said yourself. "You must decide to post your score" and
>>>> what
>>>>    other information is to be posted for use by other operators.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    So ultimately, the answer is. it came from other operators who are
>>>>    posting
>>>>    that information. How is that not assisted?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    Look, I don't have a problem with the scoreboard or similar
>>>>    exchanges of
>>>>    information. I'm not saying that the software that provides the
>>>>    capability
>>>>    should be disabled.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    Just please don't tell me that it's not "assisted" and using it
>>>>    doesn't put
>>>>    you into an Assisted or equivalent operating category. It is. (Or
>>>>    to put
>>>>    it in the vernacular, don't spill a drink on my slacks and then
>>>>    tell me it's
>>>>    raining.)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    Sometimes I operate Single Op/Assisted. Sometimes I don't. The
>>>>    reasons why
>>>>    vary depending on the event in question and how I am choosing to
>>>>    approach
>>>>    it. I'm comfortable with either category these days. I just don't
>>>>    pretend
>>>>    one is the other. And I don't ask that the line between them be
>>>>    blurred.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    Either you are assisted. or you aren't. It is that simple.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    73, ron w3wn
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    _____
>>>> 
>>>>    From: Pete Smith N4ZR [mailto:n4zr at contesting.com]
>>>>    Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:01 PM
>>>>    To: Ron Notarius W3WN; CQ Contest
>>>>    Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    Ron, at least in the case of cqcontest.net and users of MM+, this
>>>>    isn't
>>>>    true. You must decideB to post your score, and you can decide (in
>>>> MM+)
>>>>    whether or not to include a band breakdown.B Without band
>>>> information,
>>>>    access to this resource is nothing but fun, and should not be
>>>>    considered
>>>>    assistance.B Perhaps the sponsors could voluntarily disable the
>> band
>>>>    breakdown display during contest weekends, and the whole issue
>>>>    would go
>>>>    away.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    73, Pete N4ZR
>>>>    Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
>>>>    . Check
>>>>    out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>>>>    , now
>>>>    spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>>>>    For spots, please use your favorite
>>>>    "retail" DX cluster.
>>>> 
>>>>    On 4/4/2016 8:16 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>    ...The scoreboard is directly based on spotting information.
>>>>    Therefore,
>>>>    information derived from it is (IMHO) assistance for the purposes
>>>>    of most
>>>>    contests that recognize this category.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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