[CQ-Contest] Stew Contest and Multi Op/packet

[Stephen Bloom]

I think people using packet cost me more than I gained in this one, (though
admittedly my situation is different than the Lower 48 or EU) ...

I had probably 15 or so QS with JA where the op did not know the exchange,
or that there was a contest, or what "Grid??" meant.  At 12 points per Q,
pretty heavy hit.  

73
Steve KL7SB




-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ken
K6MR
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 3:36 PM
To: Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Stew Contest and Multi Op/packet

I think the "Assisted as Multi" is Tree trying to be nice to people who
don't read rules. Rule 6 says (to me) that single op assisted is a check
log. It says so right in Rule 6. You can put in the soapbox that you ran
assisted and did it purposely for whatever reason.

I didn't CQ at all so didn't have a sense of the pileups. But a few times
when I found some odd DX station the pile built pretty quickly.

Ken K6MR

From: Mike Smith VE9AA<mailto:ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:21 PM
To: 'Ken K6MR'<mailto:k6mr at outlook.com>;
cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Stew Contest and Multi Op/packet

Agree 100% Ken.  If you look at 3830 (which is only a fraction of the actual
entrants) you'll see many multiops that only list one operator.(mostly the
LP gang I think) True, I suppose its possible some of the fellows filling in
the 3830 form simply forgot to list all the guys at the station that night.
(unlikely, but could happen)

Others, however, are apparently of the belief that a Multiop means single op
+ packet. (guess they never read the rules or are creating/justifying their
own rules somehow in their mind)

I certainly do not speak for the Boring ARC , nor the SP contest,. but if my
ears are to be believed (packet pileups last night) along with 3830 posts
and misinformed (but perhaps well intended) posts like the ones I see from
W0MU, then it would appear at first glance that either folks are using
packet and just putting themselves in a multiop category because they
believe that's what they are supposed  to do (per ARRL convention) or
something else I have not yet thought of.

Disappointed? Yes.
Surprised? Sadly, no not really.

Part of the problem may be the way the rules are written or they are
becoming watered down.  I snipped this from the logs rec'd page mere moments
ago.  Look for the word assisted:


"2016 STEW PERRY

      This report generated on Sunday, 18-Dec-16 at 14:58.


Total logs = 436

C = Category (CheckLog, Multi or Single).  ASSISTED classified as Multi.."




Mike VE9AA FN66



Mike, Coreen & Corey
Keswick Ridge, NB

From: Ken K6MR [mailto:k6mr at outlook.com]
Sent: December 18, 2016 8:08 PM
To: Mike Smith VE9AA; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Stew Contest and Multi Op/packet


Mike:



Rule 6. Seems pretty plain to me. Packet is not allowed for single op, and
discouraged for Multi op. Local skimmers appear to be ok, but grudgingly.



SP appears to be an attempt to hold on to "Boy and his Radio" (copyright
K0HB) contesting.  Kinda like Stew did himself, as I read the history.



Fine by me.



Ken K6MR



From: Mike Smith VE9AA<mailto:ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:10 PM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Stew Contest and Multi Op/packet


The Stew Perry contest is not an ARRL event, so entering in Multi Op does
not mean "Single Op + Packet"

I was surprised at a few mini packet pileups I had last night.  Now I know
why.



After reviewing the DX Cluster today and reading 3830 it's apparent nobody
reads rules anymore.



In all fairness, there were a couple guys using skimmer/telnet/cluster
submitting properly as checklogs as they were chasing new countries or
whatever.



I would suggest to the Boring Club to clarify this point in the multi op
rules. (ie: Multi Op does not mean Single Op + Packet).



Mike VE9AA



Mike, Coreen & Corey

Keswick Ridge, NB



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