[CQ-Contest] [YCCC] Key Clicks in ARRL DX CW

[Barry N1EU]

Maybe I'm missing something but there is no rise time setting in the K3.

73, Barry N1EU

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 2:33 AM, Jukka Klemola <jpklemola at gmail.com> wrote:

> Barry,
> K3 can be set to click.
> Just set the rise and/or fall times too short i.e. sharp and listen k#
> click.
>
> K3 owners have a big responsibility in setting the radio correctly so it
> serves the owner and his neighborhood correctly.
> The neighborhood in this case is Fourier transformed into frequency domain
> ... hey I attempted a nerd joke in English!
>
> Also some other radios, like IC756Pro2 and Pro3 have this feature.
> One Finn had changed his CW wave fall time too short - he corrected his
> settings after a discussion about what&how to change.
>
> Most people do not know the implications of sharpening the signal.
> Over sharpening is not exactly good in this case.
>
>
> 73,
> Jukka OH6LI
>
> 2016-02-22 15:24 GMT+02:00 Barry N1EU <barry.n1eu at gmail.com>:
>
>> Great point Randy!  The untenable fact now is that those using clean
>> transmitters (esp K3) are clearly at a disadvantage when running because
>> they're just sitting ducks, i.e.  inviting someone to get real close to
>> them and click all over their run frequency.
>>
>> Barry N1EU
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > The challenge is that the problem is asymmetric.  It is all good for the
>> > clicker in that he gets a clear frequency.  And there is little that a
>> > station not clicking can do in response.
>> >
>> > We added the signal quality rule to CQWW, but we receive only 1 or 2
>> direct
>> > and specific complaints after the contest.  We need more of those to
>> gauge
>> > impact and to know where to look.
>> >
>> > This is problem that is going to take a long time to fix, but it has to
>> > start with peer pressure.  I.e., naming names publicly and often.  Stop
>> > saying things like "S5 station" and actually say their call.
>> >
>> > Randy, K5ZD
>> >
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: YCCC [mailto:yccc-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Barry
>> N1EU
>> > > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 12:57 PM
>> > > To: YCCC
>> > > Subject: [YCCC] Key Clicks in ARRL DX CW
>> > >
>> > > (FYI - I just posted this to CQ-Contest)
>> > >
>> > > Instead of the situation improving over the past 15 years with more
>> > > awareness, key clicks on the bands during contests have gotten much
>> > > worse.
>> > > I've copied excerpts from score postings from W1UE and N1EU below.
>> > >
>> > > Two groups of contest operators are going to be much more aware of the
>> > > problem than others: those who run a lot (and experience the clarity
>> and
>> > > usability of their run frequency deteriorate over time) and those
>> > > equipped with panadapters.  I also suspect that east coast operators
>> are
>> > > going to be impacted more due to stronger European signal levels.
>> > >
>> > > I suspect the situation doesn't bother most contesting folks as much
>> as
>> > > me.  I really think it has gotten bad enough to warrant extreme
>> measures
>> > > - we've got the tools to monitor/playback spectrum.  Wide signals
>> simply
>> > > should NOT be tolerated and operators should be disqualified.
>> > >
>> > > The other measure I'd really like to see is an S&P only category
>> because
>> > > I, for one, would like to throw in the towel entirely on running
>> during
>> > > cw contests.
>> > >
>> > > 73,
>> > > Barry N1EU
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 6:54 AM, Dennis Egan <egan.dennis88 at gmail.com
>> >
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Sunday afternoon on 40M was a true click-fest.  I had a good 40M
>> > > > frequency, with a rate of about 80.  Gerry W1VE then nestles in 400
>> > > > cycles up, and I started getting key clicks, destroying the
>> frequency
>> > > > for Rx.  I slid up to chastise him for the clicks, but when I got on
>> > > > his frequency I could still hear the clicks- his station wasn't
>> > > > generating them!  I went up another 4 KHz, and the offender was an
>> S5
>> > > > station occupying about 20KHz of spectrum with his key clicks!  His
>> > > > station was only S6- if he could have channeled the power expended
>> on
>> > > > his clicks into his signal, he probably would have been S9.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Barry N1EU <barry.n1eu at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Lastly, I have to say that I ended the weekend with a bad taste in
>> my
>> > > > mouth from the rampant key clicks on the band and the recurring
>> > > > experience of having my clear run frequency eventually being
>> > > > over-ridden by key clicking neighbors getting too close, over and
>> over
>> > > > and over again. I'm not sure if having the P3 panadapter is a good
>> > > > thing or a bad thing, because it clearly shows the band filled with
>> > > > wide key clicking signals. It's really sad that the ham radio
>> > > > community has never come to grips with this solvable issue. It has
>> > > seriously spoiled cw contesting for me.
>> > > >
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