[CQ-Contest] CQWW 160 CW: Early Hours Suggestion

Sun Jan 31 22:16:46 EST 2016

Hello Jorge,

For the record, I noted PJ2T in the neighborhood of 1813 kHz very early
Sunday morning.  (I'd be more specific, but they never heard me, so I don't
have a logged frequency).  XE2X was around 1821.  That 4V from Haiti was
around 1826.  

Without arguing what is or isn't 'real' DX... IMHO, 'real' DX depends on the
operator, and whom he has or hasn't worked yet... the more important thing
to remember is that:

a. The DX Window and similar 'watering holes' are "gentlemen's agreements".
They are not cast in stone, they are not (for the most part) part of a
country's radio regulations.  They are suggestions (but very good ones) for
places to look for certain types or modes of operating... during normal,
everyday band conditions.

b. Contests are NOT normal, everyday band conditions.  So the "gentlemen's
agreements" do not apply and are not in effect.

In short, during a contest, the "DX Window" simply doesn't exist.  

And I'm sorry that you didn't hear me.  (My "new" 160 antenna still needs
radial work, which is my fault, not yours).  Sadly, the only CX station I've
ever worked on 160 became a SK before I could get a confirmation from him...
so it goes.

73, ron w3wn

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From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Jorge Diez - CX6VM
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Jeffrey Maass K8ND
Cc: Dale Putnam; cq-contest at contesting.com; Tom Haavisto
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW 160 CW: Early Hours Suggestion

Hello Jeff

well, don´t know about no more DX Windows, I think there´s no more DX
windows because many people don´t respect it so maybe the easy solution was
to remove it?

What I mean in my poor english about real DX, is about the distance,
comparing 7500 kmts to W4 and 11500 kmts to central Europe with with 2500
kmts and 8500 from Caribbean

So don´t be ofended about the beautiful PJ2T and the guys there, I am
thinking about distance and a space for the far away stations, PJ2T or
maybe for example CR2X. If I start cqing in 1832.8 and then I hear
splatters from PJ2T or CR2X in 1832.5 I think that nobody will hear me in
USA or Europe  :-)

And you are not alone, MANY people don't have 'deep pockets' investors to
build a "powerhouse" and MANY people has been improving stations with time,
people, and personal effort.

Good luck in the contest

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W
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2016-01-31 13:01 GMT-03:00 <jmaass at k8nd.com>:

> G'day Jorge:
>
>
>
> 1. What is this 'DX Window' of which you speak? DX Windows were eliminated
> from all bandplans years ago, and the CQ 160 rules make no reference at
all
> to a DX Window. The only remaining reference to them is in the ARRL 160
> rules, which say "The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should be used for
> intercontinental QSOs only."   PJ2T typically logs >99% intercontinental
> QSOs in CQWW 160 CW, as PJ2T is in South America. I was in favor of DX
> Windows, but they are gone now, and will not be coming back.
>
>
>
> I realize that stations on 'mainland South America' have a tough time on
> Topband, as we at PJ2T face the some of the same issues of distance,
> equatorial noise, and stormy weather patterns: that is the challenge of
> Topband. There is little reason to establish a 'hunting preserve' of
'tame'
> DX stations to be worked by those in North America and Europe.
>
>
>
> 2. I take offense to the idea that PJ2T not a "real DX station"! Those who
> log it in contests or use QSOs with PJ2T for DXCC credit consider it a
> 'real DX station'. That we are (generally) loud and (generally) able to
> hear weak signals and have been successful as a station on Topband is due
> to a lot of hard work by many people over the past 15 years. We don't have
> 'deep pockets' investors to build a "powerhouse". It has been done
> with time, people, and personal effort.
>
>
>
> PJ2T has only worked over 1500 QSOs in CQWW 160 CW once: in 2007 (1516
> QSOs). Usually we are closer to 1100-1200 hard-won QSOs, made through
noise
> and strong QRM in the USA and Europe. It is always hard work.
>
>
>
> 73,  Jeff  PJ2/K8ND
>
>
>
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 20:41:15 -0300, Jorge Diez - CX6VM <
> cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> and what about the DX windows?
>
> Will be good if stations like PJ2T, NP2J, and others from Caribbean left
> this windows for real DX stations. This stations works more than 1500
qsos!
>
> OH, yes, of course, is not a USA working USA, but will be good a dx
> windows for small dx stations
>
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
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> 2016-01-30 17:02 GMT-03:00 Dale Putnam <daleputnam at hotmail.com>:
>
>> It's still location, location., I feel.. I have a low dipole, and a
>> looong one.. and a vertical.. on a steel roof (over 1600 sq ft).. and it
is
>> still two against one.. just pick a time.. and my main point is.. the
>> middle of the country has a narrow window that is less affected by both
>> coasts.. and .. fewer folks to work, in that time frame.. But.. am I
>> recommending any change? NO.. NOT AT ALL.. it is what it is..
>>
>> Have a great day,
>>
>>
>> --...   ...--
>> Dale - WC7S in Wy
>>
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> --
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
>
>
>
>

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73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W
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