[CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest (W1RJ)
Bruce Thivierge
bruce.thivierge at gmail.com
Tue Mar 8 09:30:14 EST 2016
"..but I do think the little pistols should try running ..more than they do
..especially later in contests ..or slow times in general."
I am trying to get comfortable with this but not having much success. I'm
an S&P guy through and through and not a competitor by any stretch, but
would really like to learn to run. ARRL DX seemed impossible to find a spot
to settle in and train on running (i.e. high up the band or otherwise "out
of the way"...)
Perhaps a different contest would be a better training ground for running.
The last thing I want to do is annoy people while fumbling with the
keyboard, asking for repeats, etc. I realize the best way to learn is to
do, but it's been a struggle.
Suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
Bruce W1RJ
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> 1. Re: Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest (KU7Y)
> 2. Re: Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest (Scott Ellington)
> 3. Re: Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest (WW3S)
> 4. Re: K5ZD vs IBM's Watson (steve.root at culligan4water.com)
> 5. Re: K5ZD vs IBM's Watson (Jack Brindle)
> 6. Re: Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest (Stephen Bloom)
> 7. Re: Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest (K9MA)
> 8. Re: Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest (Stephen Bloom)
> 9. Re: Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
> (Maciej Wieczorek)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 13:35:24 -0800
> From: "KU7Y" <ku7y.cw at gmail.com>
> To: "'cq-contest'" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
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> >From the ARRL DX contest rules:
>
> 3.2. Single Operator Unlimited:
>
> The use of spotting assistance or automated, multi-channel decoders is
> permitted.
>
> 3.2.1. Low Power: 150 watts transmitter output or less.
>
> 3.2.2. High Power: Maximum transmitter output of 1500 watts or license
> limit, whichever is less.
>
> They just happen to call it Unlimited instead of Assisted and have NO QRP
> category in it.
>
> OK, back in my hole,
>
> Ron, KU7Y
> Arizona Outlaws Contest Club
> Northern California Contest Club
> Silver Springs, NV
> ku7y at qsl.net
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> > Maciej Wieczorek
> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 10:50 AM
> > To: cq-contest
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
> >
> > Every EU single band operator tunes band up and dwn continuously, since
> ARRL
> > DX is the only remaining contest without assisted category included in
> its
> > rules.
> >
> > 73's and tnx all qso's
> > Mac SP2XF /SN2M
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barry N1EU" <n1eu.barry at gmail.com>
> > To: "cq-contest reflector" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 1:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
> >
> >
> > > Based on my experience this weekend, I've got to question whether more
> > > than
> > > a handful of assisted European operators even tune the bands, rather
> than
> > > just click on spots. Not sure if assisted American operators were any
> > > different.
> > >
> > > 73, Barry N1EU
> > >
> > >
> > >> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 12:32:37 -0500 (EST)
> > >> From: donovanf at starpower.net
> > >>
> > >> An unexpected side effect of CW Skimmers in CW DX contests
> > >> is that many operators no longer spot DX stations in any DX
> > >> contest. Good sportsmanship suggests that if you use DX spots
> > >> this weekend you should also contribute at least as many DX spots.
> > >>
> > >>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 16:17:53 -0600
> From: Scott Ellington <k9ma at sdellington.us>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
> Message-ID: <56DDFE11.8020204 at sdellington.us>
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> On 3/7/2016 13:59, Barry N1EU wrote:
> > And I'll repeat once more: We need an S&P only category in the major dx
> > contests! Give folks a viable option if they choose to avoid all the
> > out-muscling, splattering/key-clicking infringement, might-is-right
> > experience of running.
> It would be nice, with or without the S&P category, if there were some
> way for all the S&P operators to work each other. It gets really boring
> later in the contest tuning the band over and over, hearing the same dupes.
>
> 73,
>
> Scott K9MA
>
> --
> Scott Ellington K9MA
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
>
> k9ma at sdellington.us
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 18:32:03 -0500
> From: "WW3S" <ww3s at zoominternet.net>
> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
> Message-ID: <47572BA114714752A7C7E942F9C88B28 at radiolaptop>
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> re-read the rules.....its called Unlimited...available for Low or High
> power categories....
>
> > On 3/7/2016 1:50:03 PM, Maciej Wieczorek (sp2xf at wp.pl) wrote:
> > > Every EU single band operator tunes band up and dwn continuously,
> since ARRL
> > DX is the only remaining contest without assisted category included in
> its
> > rules.
> >
> > 73's and tnx all qso's
> > Mac SP2XF /SN2M
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barry N1EU" <n1eu.barry at gmail.com>
> > To: "cq-contest reflector" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 1:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
> >
> >
> > > Based on my experience this weekend, I've got to question whether more
> > > than
> > > a handful of assisted European operators even tune the bands, rather
> than
> > > just click on spots. Not sure if assisted American operators were any
> > > different.
> > >
> > > 73, Barry N1EU
> > >
> > >
> > >> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 12:32:37 -0500 (EST)
> > >> From: donovanf at starpower.net
> > >>
> > >> An unexpected side effect of CW Skimmers in CW DX contests
> > >> is that many operators no longer spot DX stations in any DX
> > >> contest. Good sportsmanship suggests that if you use DX spots
> > >> this weekend you should also contribute at least as many DX spots.
> > >>
> > >>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > CQ-Contest
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2016 01:37:20 +0000
> From: steve.root at culligan4water.com
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] K5ZD vs IBM's Watson
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> Is Watson a "Competitor" or a "Participant" ?
>
> 73 SR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Thompson K5ZD [mailto:k5zd at charter.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 07:07 PM
> To: ''Dennis'', cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] K5ZD vs IBM's Watson
>
> Watson will always win. Better bladder control and more BIC (butt in
> chair)time. Not to mention the ability to do SO6R!> -----Original
> Message-----> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com]
> On Behalf Of> Dennis> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 8:31 PM> To:
> cq-contest at contesting.com> Subject: [CQ-Contest] K5ZD vs IBM's Watson> >
> IBM would never put Watson up against Randy K5ZD.> They wouldn't want it to
> lose.> > Dennis W1UE> _______________________________________________>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 17:39:37 -0800
> From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com>
> To: k5zd at charter.net
> Cc: Dennis <egan.dennis88 at gmail.com>, CQ-Contest Reflector
> <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] K5ZD vs IBM's Watson
> Message-ID: <A118FA94-9248-49D6-806F-CE877EEF9548 at me.com>
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>
> Sorry, can?t resist?
>
> Watson has a butt? And sits in a chair?
>
> I?d still vote for Randy, though.
>
> - Jack, W6FB
>
>
> > On Mar 7, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd at charter.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Watson will always win. Better bladder control and more BIC (butt in
> chair)
> > time. Not to mention the ability to do SO6R!
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >> Dennis
> >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 8:31 PM
> >> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> >> Subject: [CQ-Contest] K5ZD vs IBM's Watson
> >>
> >> IBM would never put Watson up against Randy K5ZD.
> >> They wouldn't want it to lose.
> >>
> >> Dennis W1UE
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 19:42:08 -0900
> From: "Stephen Bloom" <sbloom at acsalaska.net>
> To: "'Scott Ellington'" <k9ma at sdellington.us>,
> <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
> Message-ID: <010401d178f4$e10353a0$a309fae0$@acsalaska.net>
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> It's easy for me to say since in most contests ..I'm a Mult that people
> want
> ..but I do think the little pistols should try running ..more than they do
> ..especially later in contests ..or slow times in general. If you are
> operating in an assisted class ...during CW and RTTY contests ..call CQ and
> see what you hit on the Reverse Beacon Network and how strong. Assuming
> you
> ping anything ..call CQ for awhile ..even if you don't get instant answers.
> All it takes is one spot. It's tougher on SSB of course because you are
> relying on being spotted ...but people will tune ..and again ..all it takes
> is one spot. Almost all of us are automated enough to have a Run CQ Loop.
> The closest thing for me is NAQP SSB ...where we're at a real disadvantage
> up here ...especially on the Low Bands ..but even then ...sooner or later
> someone hears us. I wouldn't encourage S&P only categories ...because I
> think that will end up creating fewer Qs ..not more. What I *would*
> suggest
> is that lower power guys try running higher up in the band ..it's what we
> do up here at the times where we know everyones antenna is pointed in the
> other direction.
>
> 73
> Steve KL7SB
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Ellington
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 1:18 PM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
>
> On 3/7/2016 13:59, Barry N1EU wrote:
> > And I'll repeat once more: We need an S&P only category in the major
> > dx contests! Give folks a viable option if they choose to avoid all
> > the out-muscling, splattering/key-clicking infringement,
> > might-is-right experience of running.
> It would be nice, with or without the S&P category, if there were some way
> for all the S&P operators to work each other. It gets really boring later
> in the contest tuning the band over and over, hearing the same dupes.
>
> 73,
>
> Scott K9MA
>
> --
> Scott Ellington K9MA
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
>
> k9ma at sdellington.us
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 23:34:43 -0600
> From: K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us>
> To: Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net>
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
> Message-ID: <73D8A7EE-F845-4C84-A2A0-919001C7AEC2 at sdellington.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> But how, exactly, is a little pistol to procure a run frequency when every
> open band is packed wall to wall, and stacked three deep, with big guns
> calling CQ?
>
> 73,
>
> Scott K9MA
>
> ----------
>
> Scott Ellington
>
> --- via iPad
>
> > On Mar 7, 2016, at 10:42 PM, Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net> wrote:
> >
> > but I do think the little pistols should try running ..more than they do
> > ..especially later in contests ..or slow times in general.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 22:44:40 -0900
> From: "Stephen Bloom" <sbloom at acsalaska.net>
> To: "'K9MA'" <k9ma at sdellington.us>
> Cc: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
> Message-ID: <011101d1790e$60e86100$22b92300$@acsalaska.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Scott:
>
> I realize things are different in the Central and Eastern U.S. ..I of
> course
> do most of my contesting from up here ..though I do sometimes guest at
> NX6T,
> however I did do WW CW from EU last year and have some casual contest
> experience from the Caribbean ..so I have been exposed to 24 hour open
> bands
> ..
> I'd pretty much go the Pee Wee Keeler (baseball player in the late 19th
> century) route .."hit em where they ain't" ..
>
> 1) Even though propagation may have a band be open all day ..all contests
> have ebb and flow ...(for example ...ARRL SS is *dead* towards closing
> hours
> ...CQWW is never dead ...but things are slower in the middle ..etc. etc.)
> during the slow times ..especially for Multi ops and SO2Rs ..even the big
> boys are hunting. There are times even they just run out of people to
> work.
>
>
> 2) As long as it doesn't put you out of band ..go as high in the band as
> you need ..to get out of the worst traffic. As an example ..there is
> nothing wrong with running in a CW contest on 14.140 ..if that is what it
> takes. Once you have the run established there ..you are less likely to
> get
> stepped on by one of the big boys.
>
> 3) It's unethical to ask someone to spot you during a contest. There is
> nothing unethical about talking to some of your friends ahead of the
> contest
> ...asking them to spot you when they hear you ...and telling them what your
> general strategy is.
>
>
> I do know if it was just that easy, we wouldn't be having this discussion
> ...and I've been on the other sides of this opinion myself ..but ..cynical
> as I was ..a couple of folks here use that strategy and it works. I also
> know that in just about every contest ...I work a few guys S&P who I
> figured
> had to be big guns ..then I see on 3830 that they were QRP.
>
> 73
> Steve KL7SB
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: K9MA [mailto:k9ma at sdellington.us]
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 8:35 PM
> To: Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net>
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
>
> But how, exactly, is a little pistol to procure a run frequency when every
> open band is packed wall to wall, and stacked three deep, with big guns
> calling CQ?
>
> 73,
>
> Scott K9MA
>
> ----------
>
> Scott Ellington
>
> --- via iPad
>
> > On Mar 7, 2016, at 10:42 PM, Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net> wrote:
> >
> > but I do think the little pistols should try running ..more than they
> > do ..especially later in contests ..or slow times in general.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 09:06:25 +0100
> From: "Maciej Wieczorek" <sp2xf at wp.pl>
> To: "cq-contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
> Message-ID: <FE99D460D0444159BB4475E2C15B0DF4 at MACIEJ>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Re-read my post please ;)
> I said "Single Band", where using of spotting assitance is NOT permitted
> (point 3.3.3 in the rules) and we are talking about 48 hrs contest.
>
> Nevertheless, still one of my favourite contests and I wish I could work
> more the last weekend...
>
> 73's
> Mac SN2M
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WW3S" <ww3s at zoominternet.net>
> To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
>
>
> > re-read the rules.....its called Unlimited...available for Low or High
> > power categories....
> >
> >> On 3/7/2016 1:50:03 PM, Maciej Wieczorek (sp2xf at wp.pl) wrote:
> >> > Every EU single band operator tunes band up and dwn continuously,
> since
> >> > ARRL
> >> DX is the only remaining contest without assisted category included in
> >> its
> >> rules.
> >>
> >> 73's and tnx all qso's
> >> Mac SP2XF /SN2M
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Barry N1EU" <n1eu.barry at gmail.com>
> >> To: "cq-contest reflector" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 1:53 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your DX Spots during the ARRL SSB DX Contest
> >>
> >>
> >> > Based on my experience this weekend, I've got to question whether more
> >> > than
> >> > a handful of assisted European operators even tune the bands, rather
> >> > than
> >> > just click on spots. Not sure if assisted American operators were any
> >> > different.
> >> >
> >> > 73, Barry N1EU
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 12:32:37 -0500 (EST)
> >> >> From: donovanf at starpower.net
> >> >>
> >> >> An unexpected side effect of CW Skimmers in CW DX contests
> >> >> is that many operators no longer spot DX stations in any DX
> >> >> contest. Good sportsmanship suggests that if you use DX spots
> >> >> this weekend you should also contribute at least as many DX spots.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > CQ-Contest
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