[CQ-Contest] Dead zero beat pile ups

[Barry]

Here's a little secret from the old days:
When ZL1AMO operated from some of the rarer spots and generated massive 
pileups, he'd often listen DOWN 1, after sending UP.  I worked him in 
several placess with 100W and a dipole, with just a few calls.  
Something like that would no longer stay quiet, with panadapters and DX 
Clusters.

Barry W2UP

On 11/30/2016 13:32, Gerry Treas K8GT wrote:
> Like Marty, I only use the cluster/skimmer spots to see the conditions 
> of the band, how many mults and what looks good. Clicking on the spot, 
> I then use the big knob to find the sweet spot to call on..
>
> Since I've been DXing for 55 years and contesting for almost 30 years, 
> I learned early on about tuning off zero beat for better odds on 
> working the desired station.
>
> 73, Gerry, K8GT
>
>
> On 30-Nov-16 08:06, Martin Durham wrote:
>> Interestingly I tried this for the first time this weekend with 
>> WinTEST. After a few hours I turned it off and went back to clicking 
>> then tweaking the big knob on the front of the radio. Or just tuning 
>> the band map and 'finding' the sweet spot. The randomized is too 
>> rigid. +/- 100hz. Might or might not get it. The P&C'ers are not 
>> going away. The best we can do is have good ops on the dx end who 
>> know to listen off the zero beat and good ops on this end who know 
>> where to call.
>>
>> Several times heard well known contest calls on the edge of my 
>> passband call once and get through. K1DG and his brother...and his 
>> brother-in law, K5ZD and a few others.
>>
>> The advantage of a DX-88 killer antenna!!  :)
>> Hearing ALL angles of the pileup.
>>
>> 73
>> Marty
>> W1MD
>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Both N1MM+ and Win-Test have "randomizer" options that will 
>>> automatically prevent you from being zero-beat, but still within +- 
>>> 100 Hz.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Steve, N2IC
>>>
>>>> On 11/29/2016 02:54 PM, K9MA wrote:
>>>>> On 11/29/2016 07:28, Bill via CQ-Contest wrote:
>>>>> Calling DX stations dead zero beat on their QRG in a pileup is a no
>>>>> no, yet it continues to happen.  Please call up or down a few hundred
>>>>> HZ so everyone can hear the DX station respond!
>>>> I think a few hundred Hz is too much, unless the band is very
>>>> uncrowded.  When the band is busy, somebody is running every 
>>>> 300-400 Hz,
>>>> so if you call that far off, you're right on top of the next station.
>>>> 50-100 Hz either way is usually enough to distinguish the beat note,
>>>> without causing too much QRM.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Scott  K9MA
>>>>
>>>>
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