[CQ-Contest] Log what was sent

[Zack Widup]

This is something I have always wondered about. What happens if a station
sends the wrong data, particularly if that wrong data affects scoring?
Suppose a station was in EWA but sent WWA in Sweepstakes. Or suppose he was
in Zone 7 but sent Zone 8? All you know is what he sent, and hopefully that
is what you logged. You have no way of knowing, sitting at your station, if
it's correct or not. It's what he sent and it's what you logged.

Suppose the station in the first example was the only station you worked
who said he was in WWA and you called a Clean Sweep?

What happens if the other station is DQ'ed from the contest? Does everyone
who worked him lose the QSO(s)? And why? The other stations didn't do
anything wrong. Why would or should you lose credit for a QSO with a
station when you copied exactly what was sent, correctly?

73, Zack W9SZ


On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 7:08 PM, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:

> My assumption was that the judges would recognize that, for example, a
> contact with a station sending the wrong zone could not possibly be valid,
> even if I logged exactly what s/he sent.  Perhaps I'm wrong about that.
> However, that would require the log checking software to check against the
> zone sent, not the actual zone.  Perhaps it does, as I suppose that
> wouldn't be any more difficult than checking serial numbers. Perhaps
> someone can enlighten us.  What happens if a station sends in a CQWW log
> but the sent ITU zone for every QSO?  Meanwhile, I'll keep deleting those
> QSO's.
>
> 73,
>
> Scott K9MA
>
> On 9/27/2016 17:36, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>
>> Why would it be a guaranteed penalty? You logged what was sent by the
>> other station. That's what the rules say to do!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul, N8HM
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:06 PM, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us <mailto:
>> k9ma at sdellington.us>> wrote:
>>
>>     In case an obviously incorrect or impossible exchange, it seems to
>>     me the sensible thing is to delete the QSO.  Otherwise, it's a
>>     guaranteed penalty for me, as opposed to a NIL for the other operator.
>>
>>     73,
>>
>>     Scott. K9MA
>>
>>
>>     ----------
>>
>>     Scott Ellington
>>
>>      --- via iPad
>>
>>     > On Sep 27, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Prasad VU2PTT <vu2ptt at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:vu2ptt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     > And another case where KP4BD was sending Zone 11 which I logged
>>     instead of
>>     > 08.
>>     >
>>     > 73 de Prasad VU2PTT
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 9:37 PM, john at kk9a.com
>>     <mailto:john at kk9a.com> <john at kk9a.com <mailto:john at kk9a.com>> wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >> I would like to know what the WW committee thinks about your
>>     statement?
>>     >> For example, one W6 station last weekend sent me 04 04 CA CA
>>     which printed
>>     >> clearly on multiple decoders. This is not physically possible!
>>  What about
>>     >> the station that sends 001 OH? Logging an obviously incorrect
>>     zone does
>>     >> not seem like the right thing to do and it can lead an
>>     incorrect zone
>>     >> multiplier count.
>>     >>
>>     >> John KK9A - W4AAA
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> To:     CQ-Contest <CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>     <mailto:CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>
>>     >> Subject:        [CQ-Contest] Log what was sent
>>     >> From:   <kzerohb at gmail.com <mailto:kzerohb at gmail.com>>
>>
>>     >> Date:   Tue, 27 Sep 2016 04:49:01 +0000
>>     >>
>>     >> On another online venue a fellow held the opinion that when
>>     someone sends
>>     >> an
>>     >> inaccurate element of the contest exchange (ie., the wrong Zone
>>     for his
>>     >> location in CQWW), that a contest operator should record the
>>     correct Zone,
>>     >> NOT
>>     >> the Zone that was sent to him.
>>     >>
>>     >> I certainly would query the sender.  For example, if a station
>>     in Iowa sent
>>     >> Zone “7” in CQWW (his IARU zone) instead of Zone “4” (his CQ
>>     Zone), but if
>>     >> he
>>     >> confirmed Zone 7, then I feel that I am obligated to log what
>>     he sent.
>>     >>
>>     >> After all, isn’t contesting all about our skill at accurately
>>     copying and
>>     >> precisely logging  what was sent to us?
>>     >>
>>     >> If that isn’t true, then why not just exchange callsigns and
>>     let our
>>     >> computers
>>     >> fill in the blanks?
>>     >>
>>     >> “What year was I licensed in?  Damn, I forgot again.  I’ll make
>>     up a
>>     >> number and
>>     >> you never mind what I sent, just let N1MM  fill in the blank.”
>>     >>
>>     >> 73, de Hans, KØHB
>>     >> "Just a boy and his radio"™
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Scott  K9MA
>
> k9ma at sdellington.us
>
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