[CQ-Contest] SO2R vs SO1R

Fri Aug 18 18:52:10 EDT 2017

Spot on Kelly 

If anything the delays are newbies trying SO2R or the new breed of multi ops running multiple "in band" stations - experienced SO2R ops don't get involved in the hunt if they can't do it with efficiency - in fact if that is happening you are doing it wrong 

Onwards and upwards 

73 

Trent VK4TS 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Taylor [mailto:ve4xt at mymts.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2017 8:04 AM
To: Charles Harpole
Cc: Trent Sampson; N2TK, Tony; cq-contest at contesting.com; Jeff Clarke
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SO2R vs SO1R

Successful SO2R depends on having the proficiency such that those you work don't know you're SO2R. 

The top ops are pretty seamless. Others are still trying. 

73, kelly, ve4xt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 17, 2017, at 19:08, Charles Harpole <hs0zcw at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Successful SO2R depends on the kindness of S&P operators who will wait 
> for the op to get around to the person waiting or who is putting up 
> with 'empty CQs' that are just holding frequency.  S&P operators are 
> the life blood of contests.  I think S&P operators should not put up 
> with being used by SO2R operations.
> 73, Charly
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 3:38 AM, Trent Sampson <vk4ts at outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It is never as simple as SO2R vs SO1R
>> 
>> Until we all use the same radio and antenna there will be variations
>> 
>> My fist SO2R setup was a FT101E and a TS820
>> 
>> This progressed to a pair of FT102 Yaesu's and then to a FT990 and a 
>> FT1000D and finally to a FT2000 and a FT950
>> 
>> This current pair have a $10 TV Dongle added to the IF to deliver 
>> full spec an capability on both rigs - But an Icom 756 has similar 
>> capability out of the box
>> 
>> We all have variations in location, equipment ,technical ability - 
>> operator skill that a simple SO2R SO1R comparison is not realistic - 
>> a good SO2R op will gain advantage -most of the time.
>> 
>> The best suggestion I can give,  is to strive to have the best 
>> station you can and compare your best scores to your own - These are 
>> called a CONTEST and not a Participation event - you may not always win a Certificate.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Trent Sampson
>> VK4TS
>> Po Box 275 Mooloolaba QLD 4557
>> Mobile 0408497550
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf 
>> Of N2TK, Tony
>> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 10:30 PM
>> To: 'Jeff Clarke'; cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SO2R vs SO1R
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> I have always contested for fun. When it is not fun I will stop.
>> 
>> I do have to take exception with your statement "If the guys who do 
>> SO2R didn't do it they would still beat you". Too many other factors 
>> to make a broad statement like that. And you make the statement "Sure 
>> my scores were better when I did SO2R". So by your reckoning SO2R 
>> will result in a higher score over a SO1R.
>> 
>> I still feel SO1R and SO2R should be separate classes.
>> 
>> 73,
>> N2TK/KP2M
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jeff Clarke
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 4:58 PM
>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] SO2R vs SO1R
>> 
>> All this talk about SO1R vs SO2R doesn't really matter. If the guys 
>> who do SO2R didn't do it they would still beat you because they all 
>> have a good station and good operating skills. I never really 
>> understood the logic for NAQP that running 100 watts levels the 
>> playing field. The type of antennas you are using is what really makes the difference.
>> 
>> I used to do SO2R but sold all of my stuff this Summer. I was only 
>> using it for a couple contests a year. Sure my scores were better 
>> when I did SO2R but I still had plenty of SO1R stations beat me all 
>> the time because I have an inferior station. (All wires) It just 
>> didn't seem worth the effort anymore.
>> 
>> I just do contests for fun now. If I can have fun running some rate I 
>> will be on doing that. But if it becomes too much work or I'm not 
>> having fun I shut off the radio.
>> 
>> Truthfully those who have all the toys and outstanding operating 
>> skills always win. Same as it is in any competitive sport. While I 
>> would like to see different classes in contests for those of us who 
>> aren't as fortunate I doubt it would ever happen.
>> 
>> Jeff KU8E
>> 
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