[CQ-Contest] Allowing self-spotting

Sun Feb 26 07:30:12 EST 2017

I don't see the Problem.

Unassisted = NOT Cluster = No Spots = No Selfspots
Assisted = Allow self spotting

73

  Helmut DF7ZS

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Von: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] Im Auftrag von
Jukka Klemola
Gesendet: Sunday, 26 February, 2017 10:51 AM
An: Joe <nss at mwt.net>
Cc: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Betreff: Re: [CQ-Contest] Allowing self-spotting

Sirs,
I have difficulties following this discussion.

There are people selling the idea to allow self-spotting.

Which way are we going:
-allowing CQ calling on internet
-keeping the un-assisted category

.. or are we developing extreme double.standard or what is going on?

A glimpse into the Pandora's box we are now cranking open:
Is a station using CQoIP but claims not using spotting data, is such entrant
un-assisted?

73,
Jukka OH6LI

2017-02-26 3:04 GMT+02:00 Joe <nss at mwt.net>:

> I also like this self spotting.
>
> BUT.....  and there always is a BUT isn't there? I like the three 
> QSO's rule, BUT.  there needs to also be a max per hour?
>
> Then gain here we are, back to the same problem, UG!
>
> I can just see someone spotting themself after every q.
>
> Joe WB9SBD
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> On 2/24/2017 4:30 PM, Stan Stockton wrote:
>
>> Yes.  This is what I wrote about a year and a half ago:
>>
>> 2015-10-28 4:06 GMT+01:00 Stan Stockton <wa5rtg at gmail.com>:
>> There should be a rule allowing the software to automatically submit 
>> a self spot after you have logged perhaps three QSOs on the same 
>> frequency - same rule for everyone. After all, when you call CQ on CW 
>> you are, in effect, self spotting. There is a huge advantage in being 
>> spotted and, on SSB, there is a huge difference in the number of 
>> spots for different stations giving advantage to those who are 
>> spotted frequently and quickly after a frequency change. 73... Stan, 
>> K5GO
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On CW, we already have the equivalent of self spotting, thanks to CW 
>>> Skimmer and the RBN. It's virtually impossible to NOT be spotted. CW 
>>> Skimmer/RBN is the great equalizer - you no longer have to depend on 
>>> a network of friends to spot you.
>>>
>>> We wouldn't be having this discussion if there was a SSB Skimmer. 
>>> Right now, we have a system where "those with the right friends" 
>>> have an advantage. Why not simply allow self spotting on SSB ?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Steve, N2IC
>>>
>>> On 02/22/2017 12:22 PM, Bob Henderson wrote:
>>>> Having myself met with unfair and unjustified treatment at the 
>>>> hands of RDXC adjudicators I can empathise with those claiming 
>>>> unfair treatment in adjudication.  However in this case having 
>>>> looked at the information supplied and done a little further 
>>>> digging, I am unsure my empathy is justified.
>>>>
>>>> 3V8SS it seems acknowledges cheer-leading by his fellow Tunisians 
>>>> KG5OUE and F4HJD but claims not to have encouraged it.  I am 
>>>> inclined to believe him, given some of my own friends have spotted 
>>>> me during contests and I have NEVER, that is NOT EVER, asked anyone 
>>>> to do so.
>>>>
>>>> That said, HB9EOU appears to be rather more than a random contact 
>>>> with Switzerland.  Last year HB9EOU operated in the IOTA contest 
>>>> from 3V8SM on Djerba Island AF-083 along with F4HJD.  Ash (3V8SS) + 
>>>> F4HJD + 3V8CB had activated 3V8SM from Djerba Island a couple of 
>>>> months earlier.
>>>>
>>>> The recording of the contact with HB9EOU seems odd, though the 
>>>> events not entirely inexplicable but small circles in which the 
>>>> same calls crop up repetitively raise questions.  Perhaps it's all 
>>>> an extraordinary coincidence but there is enough doubt for me to 
>>>> wonder whether my empathy might have been misplaced.
>>>>
>>>> Bob, 5B4AGN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:48:33 -0600
>>>> From: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra at sasktel.net>
>>>> To: "'Ashraf Chaabane'" <ash.kf5eyy at gmail.com>, "'cq-contest'"
>>>>          <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] R: Re: R: 3V8SS disqualified from WW SSB and
>>>>          WRTC
>>>> Message-ID: <E976655BE7DB448B8806659C02036C2C at DOUG8PC>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> After reading your post and based on your response to the 
>>>> committee, I would conclude that Bob, W5OV; Doug, KR2Q; Scott, W4PA 
>>>> are nitpickers with an agenda.
>>>> If anything valid is further introduced to support the committee's 
>>>> decision, then I would revise my opinion. As it stands, I believe 
>>>> you were unfairly DQd.
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Ashraf Chaabane
>>>> Sent: February-22-17 7:34 AM
>>>> To: cq-contest
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] R: Re: R: 3V8SS disqualified from WW SSB 
>>>> and WRTC
>>>>
>>>> Mike, Ria and all,
>>>>
>>>> I put online the CC accusations (their native emails) and my responses:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kf5eyy.info/3V8SS_WWSSB16_DQ.htm
>>>>
>>>> I think that allows everyone to read from both sides. Now it's up 
>>>> to you to comment!
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> --
>>>> Ash ~ 3V8SS/KF5EYY
>>>> http://www.kf5eyy.info/
>>>> Phone/SMS: (+216) 22670026
>>>> Skype: kf5eyy
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