[CQ-Contest] Allowing self-spotting

Sun Feb 26 09:09:59 EST 2017

Doesn't solve the problem for Unassisted stations having "friends" (real 
or otherwise) spotting them.

Barry W2UP

On 2/26/2017 05:30, Helmut Mueller wrote:
> I don't see the Problem.
>
> Unassisted = NOT Cluster = No Spots = No Selfspots
> Assisted = Allow self spotting
>
> 73
>
>    Helmut DF7ZS
>
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>
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] Im Auftrag von
> Jukka Klemola
> Gesendet: Sunday, 26 February, 2017 10:51 AM
> An: Joe <nss at mwt.net>
> Cc: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Betreff: Re: [CQ-Contest] Allowing self-spotting
>
> Sirs,
> I have difficulties following this discussion.
>
> There are people selling the idea to allow self-spotting.
>
>
> Which way are we going:
> -allowing CQ calling on internet
> -keeping the un-assisted category
>
> .. or are we developing extreme double.standard or what is going on?
>
>
> A glimpse into the Pandora's box we are now cranking open:
> Is a station using CQoIP but claims not using spotting data, is such entrant
> un-assisted?
>
>
> 73,
> Jukka OH6LI
>
>
>
> 2017-02-26 3:04 GMT+02:00 Joe <nss at mwt.net>:
>
>> I also like this self spotting.
>>
>> BUT.....  and there always is a BUT isn't there? I like the three
>> QSO's rule, BUT.  there needs to also be a max per hour?
>>
>> Then gain here we are, back to the same problem, UG!
>>
>> I can just see someone spotting themself after every q.
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> Sig
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>> On 2/24/2017 4:30 PM, Stan Stockton wrote:
>>
>>> Yes.  This is what I wrote about a year and a half ago:
>>>
>>> 2015-10-28 4:06 GMT+01:00 Stan Stockton <wa5rtg at gmail.com>:
>>> There should be a rule allowing the software to automatically submit
>>> a self spot after you have logged perhaps three QSOs on the same
>>> frequency - same rule for everyone. After all, when you call CQ on CW
>>> you are, in effect, self spotting. There is a huge advantage in being
>>> spotted and, on SSB, there is a huge difference in the number of
>>> spots for different stations giving advantage to those who are
>>> spotted frequently and quickly after a frequency change. 73... Stan,
>>> K5GO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On CW, we already have the equivalent of self spotting, thanks to CW
>>>> Skimmer and the RBN. It's virtually impossible to NOT be spotted. CW
>>>> Skimmer/RBN is the great equalizer - you no longer have to depend on
>>>> a network of friends to spot you.
>>>>
>>>> We wouldn't be having this discussion if there was a SSB Skimmer.
>>>> Right now, we have a system where "those with the right friends"
>>>> have an advantage. Why not simply allow self spotting on SSB ?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Steve, N2IC
>>>>
>>>> On 02/22/2017 12:22 PM, Bob Henderson wrote:
>>>>> Having myself met with unfair and unjustified treatment at the
>>>>> hands of RDXC adjudicators I can empathise with those claiming
>>>>> unfair treatment in adjudication.  However in this case having
>>>>> looked at the information supplied and done a little further
>>>>> digging, I am unsure my empathy is justified.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3V8SS it seems acknowledges cheer-leading by his fellow Tunisians
>>>>> KG5OUE and F4HJD but claims not to have encouraged it.  I am
>>>>> inclined to believe him, given some of my own friends have spotted
>>>>> me during contests and I have NEVER, that is NOT EVER, asked anyone
>>>>> to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, HB9EOU appears to be rather more than a random contact
>>>>> with Switzerland.  Last year HB9EOU operated in the IOTA contest
>>>>> from 3V8SM on Djerba Island AF-083 along with F4HJD.  Ash (3V8SS) +
>>>>> F4HJD + 3V8CB had activated 3V8SM from Djerba Island a couple of
>>>>> months earlier.
>>>>>
>>>>> The recording of the contact with HB9EOU seems odd, though the
>>>>> events not entirely inexplicable but small circles in which the
>>>>> same calls crop up repetitively raise questions.  Perhaps it's all
>>>>> an extraordinary coincidence but there is enough doubt for me to
>>>>> wonder whether my empathy might have been misplaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob, 5B4AGN
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:48:33 -0600
>>>>> From: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra at sasktel.net>
>>>>> To: "'Ashraf Chaabane'" <ash.kf5eyy at gmail.com>, "'cq-contest'"
>>>>>           <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] R: Re: R: 3V8SS disqualified from WW SSB and
>>>>>           WRTC
>>>>> Message-ID: <E976655BE7DB448B8806659C02036C2C at DOUG8PC>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> After reading your post and based on your response to the
>>>>> committee, I would conclude that Bob, W5OV; Doug, KR2Q; Scott, W4PA
>>>>> are nitpickers with an agenda.
>>>>> If anything valid is further introduced to support the committee's
>>>>> decision, then I would revise my opinion. As it stands, I believe
>>>>> you were unfairly DQd.
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Ashraf Chaabane
>>>>> Sent: February-22-17 7:34 AM
>>>>> To: cq-contest
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] R: Re: R: 3V8SS disqualified from WW SSB
>>>>> and WRTC
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike, Ria and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I put online the CC accusations (their native emails) and my responses:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.kf5eyy.info/3V8SS_WWSSB16_DQ.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that allows everyone to read from both sides. Now it's up
>>>>> to you to comment!
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ash ~ 3V8SS/KF5EYY
>>>>> http://www.kf5eyy.info/
>>>>> Phone/SMS: (+216) 22670026
>>>>> Skype: kf5eyy
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