[CQ-Contest] Online Scoreboards

Sun Jul 23 22:38:53 EDT 2017

I understand these arguments but personally do enjoy the online scoreboard.

There is one guy in PA who always beats me and who runs the online score 
board which I appreciate.  It's fun to keep an eye on our two scores as the 
contest progresses because it tells me how far the lead horse in the race 
is.  That adds another aspect of enjoyment to the contest for me although 
due to my QTH disadvantage and his superior skill/experience I almost never 
see my call listed higher than his on the board.  Some would say that I 
merely enjoy torturing myself knowing I can't win and the scoreboard is a 
constant reminder of that fact.  ha ha.

I don't think that there is any practical way to regulate sufficiently to 
prohibit those who are wanting to cheat, at least with any real efficiency. 
Whatever limitations are officially imposed, there are going to be guys who 
are going to find ways around that.  Some techniques would be called 
outright cheating by others - and other questionable methods that can be 
argued as exploiting the holes in the rules.  Can't say I can think of a 
time where the scoreboard prompted me to do something I was otherwise not 
doing.  The "joy" of living in the black hole here is that whatever is 
working for a leader on the coast has little correlation to what's happening 
locally as witnessed by the Feb RTTY NAQP where the coasts can work each 
other on the high bands and here in KS 10/15 are almost always dead save for 
some top-of-the-cycle times.

So it's just like the DXCC assists from buddies enjoy with the help of some 
guys via telephone or chat or whatever.  At the end of the day, when you 
look at your accomplishments, you know personally exactly what you did (or 
did not) do to achieve it.  And the extent one fellow will go to get the 
Q/mult/score/etc will vary with the next fellow.

There have been a couple of times in the last cycle where I managed to 
collect a win of one category or another but those are the rare exception. 
And I suppose if I were a top contender for the national win every year 
maybe I would be more upset about some other guy being able to get some 
under-table assistance one way or another so maybe I can't appreciate what 
the big boys feel.  The bottom line from my perspective is that the online 
scoring adds to the enjoyment of the sport and it's not diminished by 
knowing that some of the contenders are exploiting some advantage or 
another.  I'm sure the guys motivated to cheat will find plenty of ways to 
cheat if they want and the presence or the absence of the online scoreboard 
is not going to affect that at all.  A guy who wants to cheat will.  So why 
worry about it?  Just focus on doing my best, trying to enjoy the activity 
to the maximum I can, and see what the box scores end up when they are 
eventually posted.

73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: k2ttt
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:58 AM
To: Dale Putnam ; Victor Androsov
Cc: sawyered at earthlink.net ; cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Online Scoreboards

FRC has done this for years in the club chat room during a test, however, if 
you are single op there is the danger of the "inadvertent " passing of 
information from non single op stations.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dale Putnam <daleputnam at hotmail.com>
Date: 7/23/17  6:23 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: Victor Androsov <victor.androsov at gmail.com>
Cc: sawyered at earthlink.net, cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Online Scoreboards

So many that it won't make any difference since "everyone does it" no one 
will care. Right? That is the entire idea of making that feature. So much 
for ethics.....   have fun guys.

Make this a great day
Dale

> On Jul 23, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Victor Androsov <victor.androsov at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> I guess would be not more vs other Internet messengers. There is no
> communication tools on that room page. The private room is for personal
> competition. Noting more. It's for contesters who wouldn't reveal personal
> score to others. I know a lot of them. )))
>
> 73!
>
> Victor
> VA2WA/ VA2WDQ
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2017 1:11 PM, "Ed Sawyer" <sawyered at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Sounds like the "dark web" of contesting emerging.  I wonder how many ESP 
> Qs
> and mult moves will happen in the "Private room".
>
>
>
> Ed  N1UR
>
>
>
> We have launched new Contest Online Score version having a new amazing
> option - Private room.  Any user can create a Private room and join 
> friends
> by sharing a PIN code. No one from outside can see private room members
> score while lucky private room members could easily switch between 
> View -all
> (room members plus others ) and Private View (the only private room
> members). It's absolutely new feature. I've never heard about something 
> else
> before. Please help us with testing and debugging it. Any feedback really
> appreciated!
>
>
>
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