[CQ-Contest] Online Scoreboards

Mon Jul 24 10:57:26 EDT 2017

What has changed over the years?  People have been cheating for a long 
time.  The ways to cheat have increased with the internet, whether it is 
watching spots while SO or using any or all of the many methods to 
create groups and pass information on to others.

We still have flagrant power abusers, people used to schedule contacts 
using the telephone, now that is done via email or groups.

About the only thing that might have been addressed was some of the 
rubber clocking and time issues, although some rules allow you to break 
the rules then remove the violated contacts that were not mults after 
the fact.

Will Contesting be an E-sport, simply, no.  Far too many variables.  The 
closest thing we have is WRTC and even then certain sites seem to be 
more advantageous than others and all the equipment is different among 
many other things.

I would like to think that most of us do it right, but you just don't 
know.  I have had too many people in online gaming get banned for 
cheating when I thought they were doing it right and they lied straight 
to our faces without a second thought.

I get why people cheat with drugs, engine modifications when the stakes 
are millions.  I still can't wrap my head around cheating for a piece of 
paper or a 60 dollar plaque.

My interest has definitely tapered off lately, and the lousy condx 
haven't helped but I feel much the same as you Dale.

W0MU

On 7/24/2017 5:41 AM, Dale Putnam wrote:
> After reading all the comments.. and rethinking about all this.. once again.. over it all .. again.
>
> It seems to me.. that the ONLY one that I can COUNT on.. to be ethical.. is ME.
>
> So the fruitless and wasteful exercise of comparing scores.. with ANYONE.. is a complete futile.
>
> Then.. one goes on down this slippery slope..  Since I am the only one that I trust..
>
> and MY score is the only one that hasn't been jacked up... that I know for sure...
>
> Then WHY BOTHER playing this game?   To see how I stand in a corn field with ...   .. with...
>
> well.. ... can't say peers.. can I?
>
> OR
>
> Simply throw ethics out the window and jump into the swamp.
>
>
> Makes one not wonder so much any longer about the actual longevity of real contesting in general.
>
> Unless, the definition of cheating is re-written, the scope of contesting no only includes the radio, and op skills in using
>
> that radio, after assembling the optimal hardware.. but also includes the skill of managing the previously outlawed
>
> Qs from social media and the like.
>
>
> NOW I GET IT!!
>
>
> But.. I don't want it!!! Don't want that skillset.
>
> So.. I choose the not play that game.. have fun.. if you can doing that.
>
> I choose, to play according to the rules.. strictly.. with MY chosen set of hardware.. optimal? nope..
>
> but then.. it is what I have.. and what I have made.. and it provides me ethically attained rewards, and fun.
>
>
> Have a great day,
> --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
>
> "Actions speak louder than words"
> 1856 - Abraham Lincoln
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: k2ttt <k2ttt at optonline.net>
> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:58 PM
> To: Dale Putnam; Victor Androsov
> Cc: sawyered at earthlink.net; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Online Scoreboards
>
> FRC has done this for years in the club chat room during a test, however, if you are single op there is the danger of the "inadvertent " passing of information from non single op stations.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dale Putnam <daleputnam at hotmail.com>
> Date: 7/23/17 6:23 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Victor Androsov <victor.androsov at gmail.com>
> Cc: sawyered at earthlink.net, cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Online Scoreboards
>
> So many that it won't make any difference since "everyone does it" no one will care. Right? That is the entire idea of making that feature. So much for ethics.....   have fun guys.
>
> Make this a great day
> Dale
>
>> On Jul 23, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Victor Androsov <victor.androsov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> I guess would be not more vs other Internet messengers. There is no
>> communication tools on that room page. The private room is for personal
>> competition. Noting more. It's for contesters who wouldn't reveal personal
>> score to others. I know a lot of them. )))
>>
>> 73!
>>
>> Victor
>> VA2WA/ VA2WDQ
>>
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2017 1:11 PM, "Ed Sawyer" <sawyered at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like the "dark web" of contesting emerging.  I wonder how many ESP Qs
>> and mult moves will happen in the "Private room".
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed  N1UR
>>
>>
>>
>> We have launched new Contest Online Score version having a new amazing
>> option - Private room.  Any user can create a Private room and join friends
>> by sharing a PIN code. No one from outside can see private room members
>> score while lucky private room members could easily switch between View -all
>> (room members plus others ) and Private View (the only private room
>> members). It's absolutely new feature. I've never heard about something else
>> before. Please help us with testing and debugging it. Any feedback really
>> appreciated!
>>
>>
>>
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