[CQ-Contest] CQWW Assisted - Is it just another Urban Myth ?

[Stan Stockton]

Trent,

I apparently didn't do a good job of explaining.

1.  If you are saying that assisted rarely beats unassisted, I completely agree.  

So what?  
Who cares?  
What does it matter?

Are you saying the assistance does not case higher scores?  If so, you are wrong.  If you are saying the majority of top operators don't want to compete with Internet assistance, you are right.

2.  I think if someone wants to operate without the internet telling them where all the multipliers are located on the bands AND be able to compete with others who are of like mind, they should be allowed to do so.  If you say they "can" compete based on the past results of the assisted class not being able to win over the unassisted single operators, then you need to look no further than the few instances of when the single assisted operators did beat the single unassisted operators.  You will likely find world class operators who experimented with the assisted class.

3.  Not in all cases,  but in the vast majority of the results you will find that the best operators do not choose the assisted category.  I can assure with 100% certainty that if the categories were combined there would NEVER be a winner who did not use the Internet.

4.  Is there a good reason why you want to combine the categories?  Is it to create a situation where many people are unhappy because they are forced to use the Internet to continue to compete at the top level?  Is it so if someone wants to activate a multiplier, let's say from the beach, that has no internet access they are disadvantaged?  

I could make as good an argument for combining the categories and eliminating the use of the Internet for everyone during a contest as you can make for combining and allowing the Internet.  It is a radio contest, you know.  It's not a computer game of shooting fish in a barrel.  

However, I'm not going to do that because there are many who enjoy using it and can compete with others who also like it and I see no reason for taking away their fun.  Why not allow the original and historically most popular category's operators the same enjoyment?

73... Stan

> On Jul 31, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Trent Sampson <vk4ts at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry Stan
> 
> But the statistics do not support your biased view - Plain and simple - Troll through ALL the results and let us know how many times ASSISTED beat UNASSITED - the answer will highlight your biased response
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> VK4TS 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan Stockton [mailto:wa5rtg at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, 31 July 2017 11:11 PM
> To: Trent Sampson
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Assisted - Is it just another Urban Myth ?
> 
> Here we go again.
> 
> The answer to your question has zero relevance on whether they should be combined. 
> 
> Do the results show  being assisted is a detriment like QRP is a detriment as compared to low power. If so, it's like me saying that QRP scores don't beat low power scores so why not combine those categories.  
> 
> If anyone thinks that SO scores would not be as good if those top operators used the internet to provide them a list of multipliers to work, they have no clue.  If a survey was taken of those who operate SO in serious fashion the result would be they don't want them combined.
> 
> I have yet to see any logical reason to eliminate the category other than it is difficult to enforce the rules.
> 
> 73... Stan, K5GO
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Stan's IPhone
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2017, at 6:26 AM, Trent Sampson <vk4ts at outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The Assisted category in the CQWW is 25 years old this year;
>> 
>> It was created because of the advantages" given to operators who were using the spotter networks
>> 
>> In all of the 25 years of assisted categories in the CQWW how many times has the world SOAB (Assisted) beaten the SOAB (Unassisted) ? - It is a trick question
>> 
>> Based on factual information is there any reason to not combine the categories ? before you answer look at the data...
>> 
>> 
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