[CQ-Contest] KU1CW location

Mon Jun 5 13:28:56 EDT 2017

There should be clarification on this, so we know what is legal
operation and what is not.

I have from ARRL but they are not the FCC. But they do sponsor
contests and have the FCC's ear.

Either way it won't hurt to know where we stand. Every operator should
know without a doubt whether their operation is legal. Helps prevent
any surprises.

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Peter Bowyer <peter at bowyer.org> wrote:
> Well if you're operating remotely from outside the US, it doesn't - which
> is a good part of the point here. The CEPT regulation is written such that
> it covers the physical presence of a foreign-licensed operator in the US.
> I've seen (but can't immediately turn up) a quote from an FCC official
> confirming that interpretation, and that remote operation of a US station
> from overseas using the CEPT privileges isn't permitted.
>
> That's one reason why remotehamradio.com insist on every operator having a
> US license. I'm getting mine later this year, with a bit of luck :-)
>
> Peter G4MJS
>
> On 5 June 2017 at 17:34, Dale Putnam <daleputnam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "simply bring your CEPT or IARP documentation when you visit the US. "
>>
>> How does this get done?
>>
>>
>> Have a great day,
>> --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
>>
>> "Actions speak louder than words"
>> 1856 - Abraham Lincoln
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com> on behalf of Peter
>> Bowyer <peter at bowyer.org>
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 5, 2017 10:02 AM
>> *To:* CQ-Contest Reflector
>> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] KU1CW location
>>
>> Sorry Bob you're wrong there. FCC has adopted the CEPT T/R 61-01
>> regulation to make reciprocal licensing easier.
>>
>> http://www.arrl.org/foreign-licenses-operating-in-u-s
>> Foreign Licenses Operating in U.S. - American Radio Relay ...
>> <http://www.arrl.org/foreign-licenses-operating-in-u-s>
>> www.arrl.org
>> The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) is the national association for
>> amateur radio, connecting hams around the U.S. with news, information and
>> resources.
>>
>>
>> Peter G4MJS
>>
>> On 5 June 2017 at 13:07,  <w5ov at w5ov.com> wrote:
>> > N2RJ said:
>> >
>> > " Just be careful that you are indeed doing so. CEPT T/R 61-01 is not
>> > sufficient authorization for a European licensee to operate an internet
>> > remote base in the US while being physically present overseas...."
>> >
>> > EU rules do not apply to amateur radio transmissions made from within the
>> > USA under any circunstances.
>> >
>> > Where the operator is located is completely irrelevant.
>> >
>> > What happens on the air from a USA station is governed by US FCC Law -
>> > nothing else.
>> >
>> > US Law applies and the operators must comply with FCC rules as if they
>> were
>> > physically within the USA.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Bob W5OV
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com
>> <cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com>] On Behalf Of Ria
>> > Jairam
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:53 PM
>> > To: W4AAW at aol.com
>> > Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] KU1CW location
>> >
>> >> W1VE and other serious operators of remote-capable stations will agree
>> >> with me:  We remote-capable stations are not trying to fool anyone or
>> >> gain some sort of geographical or unfair advantage.  We're just being
>> > competitive and striving to do so strictly within the rules.
>> >
>> >
>> > There is really nothing wrong with trying to gain an advantage during a
>> > contest. That's what contesting is. As long as it is within the rules.
>> > Operating from elsewhere to do better in contests has been a staple of
>> > contesting for pretty much as long as it has existed.
>> >
>> >>2. Alex is a member of TeamW4AAW, which operates the first Totally Remote
>> > M/M station.
>> >>We have 31 team members who operate W4AAW's positions from all over NA,
>> >>from Panama,  Europe and Asia, provided they meet legal/licensing
>> > requirements.
>> >
>> > Just be careful that you are indeed doing so. CEPT T/R 61-01 is not
>> > sufficient authorization for a European licensee to operate an internet
>> > remote base in the US while being physically present overseas. Even if
>> they
>> > were allowed, their home license restrictions and power limits (while not
>> > exceeding US Extra) apply. In the UK it is
>> > 400 watts for full licenses and in Germany it is 750W for class A
>> licenses.
>> > Other European countries may be different. The best thing for them to do
>> to
>> > be compliant with the laws of the US is to get a US license. There are VE
>> > sessions in many countries overseas and one can get a license by passing
>> the
>> > (now very easy) exams. No code required, even.
>> >
>> >>4.  The 3830 comments for KU1CW @ W4AAW in the CQWPX CW test very
>> >>clearly show the  locations of each operator.
>> >
>> > An awards chaser who isn't competing in the contest is unlikely to know
>> > about nor care about 3830. The best thing to do would be to put the
>> location
>> > of the stations in the QRZ profile, which is the first place they look.
>> >
>> > 73
>> > Ria, N2RJ
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:30 PM, W4AAW at aol.com via CQ-Contest
>> > <cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
>> >> Here is the correct information on KU1CW in the CQWPX CW contest.
>> >>
>> >> 1. Alex has just moved to Washington State.  He has not yet modified his
>> > license to reflect this recent development.
>> >>
>> >> 2. Alex is a member of TeamW4AAW, which operates the first Totally
>> Remote
>> > M/M station.  We have 31 team members who operate W4AAW's positions from
>> all
>> > over NA, from Panama, Europe and Asia, provided they meet legal/licensing
>> > requirements.
>> >>
>> >> 3. Since a W4 call sign is common in WPX tests, I suggested to Alex we
>> use
>> > KU1CW for the contest.  Alex agreed. So, the entry (as shown on 3830) was
>> > KU1CW@ W4AAW.
>> >>
>> >> 4.  The 3830 comments for KU1CW @ W4AAW in the CQWPX CW test very
>> clearly
>> > show the locations of each operator.
>> >>
>> >> If some people had bothered to read information that is readily
>> available
>> > in that posting, it would not have been necessary to cast aspersions.
>> >>
>> >> During some periods of the contest, Alex even operated SO2R, using two
>> > W4AAW positions remotely, from Washington State.
>> >>
>> >> W1VE and other serious operators of remote-capable stations will agree
>> > with me:  We remote-capable stations are not trying to fool anyone or
>> gain
>> > some sort of geographical or unfair advantage.  We're just being
>> competitive
>> > and striving to do so strictly within the rules.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers!
>> >>
>> >> 73, Mike W4AAW
>> >>
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