[CQ-Contest] CX2DK DQ

[Jorge Diez - CX6VM]

Barry

if you are not at K0RF, as single op you did very few hours of CQWW SSB in
the last years, so is easy to you to say if you don´t like the rules, don´t
play the game.

Marcelo is building the best contest station in CX and he sit at the chair
and spend a whole contest alone. I don´t like the rules, so he and me as
many others will not follow your advice.

 The others that write here, told that W4PA don´t say the reason they asked
for the audio. This bad communication from W4PA is what makes us to don´t
know if they disqualified him because he did not have the audio or for
suspicions of lying.

from other CC member, I know is not only because he did not have the audio,
they have suspicious of lying.  Anyway, never told Marcelo what was the
suspicious, if working 25 multipliers in 1 minute or working AAA0A that was
spotted or whatever.

So to finish that:
- he was reclassified because they have suspicions about the log.  So for
someone here that have this same dude, it was not just for not having the
audio. Unfortunately he not recorded the contest. (I didn't record the
contest also)
- In case he recorded the contest, I don't think the recording will help
the operator. CC will tell you that because of the audio, seems he was very
fast going from one station to another, but you can do that in many other
ways that are not necessarily the cluster

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

2017-03-04 12:36 GMT-03:00 Barry <w2up at comcast.net>:

> *XIII. DECLARATION:*
>
> By submitting a CQ WW DX Contest log, and in consideration of the efforts
> of the CQ WW DX Contest Committee to review and evaluate that log, an
> entrant unconditionally and irrevocably agrees that he/she has: 1) read and
> understood the rules of the contest and agrees to be bound by them, 2)
> operated according to all rules and regulations that pertain to amateur
> radio for the station location, 3) agreed the log entry may be made open to
> the public, and *4) accepted that the issuing of disqualifications and
> other decisions of the Committee are official and final. If an entrant is
> unwilling or unable to agree to all of the foregoing, the entrant should
> not submit the entry or submit the entry as a Checklog only.
> *
>
> If you don't like the rules, don't play the game.  (Bold added.)
>
> Barry W2UP
>
>
>
> On 3/4/2017 08:27, Rudy Bakalov wrote:
>
>> There will be a lot less frustration vented out here if the process was
>> principled and transparent; it is not. I am not referring to the mechanics
>> of how cheating is detected.
>>
>> There seem to be no principles around how to handle suspected behavior.
>> Only a few weeks ago we learned about the extensive dialogue between the
>> committee and 3V8SS. Now, there is zero dialogue between the two sides,
>> only a request for the recording. In other instances RBN data was being
>> used as a reason to suspect abuse of power even though such procedures are
>> not disclosed upfront in the published rules.
>>
>> Why do we care about principles? Because the rules will never cover all
>> situations and circumstances. Principles, just like the constitution, guide
>> us how to make decisions when the rules are incomplete or do not exist.
>>
>> I also believe that everybody deserves a fair trial, including by its
>> peers.  CX2DK, 3V8SS, LZ2RS, etc. have every right to bring up their
>> complaints to the public and ask the judges to explain themselves.
>> Democracy 101.
>>
>> Rudy N2WQ
>>
>> Sent using a tiny keyboard.  Please excuse brevity, typos, or
>> inappropriate autocorrect.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Barry <w2up at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Fact not in evidence.
>>>
>>> Again, they don't ask for audio unless they have suspicions about the
>>> log.  Apparently same concern, last year, no response.  They let it go.
>>> You know the old saying - Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice, shame
>>> on me.
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
>>>
>>> On 3/4/2017 06:04, Rudy Bakalov via CQ-Contest wrote:
>>>> So in both instances, the log checker didn't have issues with the log,
>>>> but requested the recording anyway.  W4PA didn't mention any issues either
>>>> and only reiterated that they asked for the recording and didn't get it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rudy N2WQ
>>>>
>>>>
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-- 
73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W