[CQ-Contest] CX2DK - NOT DQ

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

I would agree that generally not one piece of the data is enough to 
catch the smart ones.  It is just a tool.

I am sure people are still gaming the game to win pieces of paper and 
that is really quite sad.

W0MU


On 3/7/2017 9:34 PM, Kelly Taylor wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> You’re right: SDR recordings could be used to detect padding of both logs and audio files with phony QSOs.
>
> Without crafting a how-to guide to cheating, I can think of a half-dozen OTHER ways to submit a perfectly clean audio file despite significant amounts of cheating, cheating that is otherwise also undetectable.
>
> My point wasn’t to complain about recordings being in the rules, nor was it about excusing anyone who ignores the rules, nor am I arguing to take it out of the rules.
>
> My point is it doesn’t appear the requirement for audio recordings is the platinum-clad guarantee against cheating some hold it out to be.
>
> There’s no logic to suggest that someone who cheats on power, on assistance, on remote receiving sites or on non-radio means of arranging contacts or confirming QSO details won’t also be tempted to cheat on the audio file.
>
> 73, kelly, ve4xt
>
>
>> On Mar 7, 2017, at 1:12 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly.  Without his recording they cannot do further analysis. A so called clean recording could be shot full of holes with SDR recordings, etc.
>>
>> It doesn't matter what we think.  The rules are the rules.  Play by them or get them changed.
>>
>> CX2DK how about releasing your log to the public?
>>
>> W0MU
>>
>>
>> On 3/7/2017 9:43 AM, Kelly Taylor wrote:
>>> The point being missed in Jorge’s message is this: a clean recording is proof of nothing.
>>>
>>> It may only prove the operator is adept at arranging affairs so the recording only makes it appear to be a clean operation.
>>>
>>> 73, kelly, ve4xt
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 7, 2017, at 9:47 AM, charlie at thegallos.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> My point is about this rule, and all that will be added in the future.
>>>>> What
>>>>> happen if I recorded the contest and after it, I listen to audio file and
>>>>> is bad, por example a common problem, the connector that comes off very
>>>>> easily from the back of K3 line out, so, not audio file.
>>>> Them's the breaks - fix it so it won't happen
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> If audio fail?  what happened. I will not stop after the first 15 minutes
>>>>> of the contest to start listening form my audio file to see if it´s OK.
>>>>> So
>>>>> I will notice if after the end of the contest
>>>> Again - it is part of the rules, you deal with the rules
>>>>
>>>> 'Sometimes You Eat the Bear, and Sometimes the Bear Eats You"
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> If the Contest committee makes a rule you have to print out the log in
>>>> green ink, you read the rules, and you print in green ink
>>>>
>>>> I'm not much of a radio contester, but I mentor robotics contesting.
>>>> Guess what?  After the 1st weekend of matches (we don't compete for
>>>> another few weeks), they made a change to the rules.  it means something
>>>> we spent a lot of time and resources during "build season" dealing with is
>>>> moot.  Other times, changes have helped us.  You adapt and overcome.
>>>>
>>>> When the committee asks for your audio file one year, and you can't
>>>> provide it, and waves it, it behooves you to make SURE you have it the
>>>> next year.  You KNOW they are asking for it.  Hint - If ruling board say
>>>> "I need X from you" and you don't have it and waves you, you'd better KNOW
>>>> that the next time around, even if they don't suspect anything, they are
>>>> GOING to ask, to make sure you made the changes you needed to ask
>>>>
>>>> If I tell you that you have to bring a #2 pencil to school every day, and
>>>> the first day, you only bring a pen, I'll loan out a pencil.  Guess what?
>>>> The next day, I'm going to check to see if you brought a pencil
>>>>
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