[CQ-Contest] PJ4G ARRL DX SSB Recording by N2IC

Wed Mar 15 14:24:10 EDT 2017

How about since they are using twice the bandwidth compared to a SO1R.

How about this?

A 24 hour contest has 1440 minutes in it.

You can use up to a max of 1440 Minutes in a Contest.
Running two radios as in SO2R for 1 Hour,, you just used 120 minutes of 
operating time. Time used per radio.

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On 3/15/2017 12:16 PM, Alan M. Eshleman wrote:
> I've always maintained that SO2R and SO1R should be entirely different categories.  Whenever I bring this up, the mandarins of radio sport are quick to argue that they should be allowed to compete in the same classifications as SO1R because "it takes practice to get good at SO2R".  No doubt that's true, but it's also specious.  SO2R takes money, practice, and real estate.  Let those that have the resources compete among themselves and let those that don't do likewise.
>
> 73, Alan (some of my best friends operate SO2R) K6SRZ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Durham" <W1md at W1md.net>
> To: "Ria Jairam" <rjairam at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Barry" <w2up at comcast.net>, "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz at verizon.net>, "CQ-Contest Reflector" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:53:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] PJ4G ARRL DX SSB Recording by N2IC
>
> Interesting data points from 2016 cqww cw
>
> Combine the top 30 SOHP and SOHPA, and 87% of the top 60 stations were SO2R
>
> 73% of the top 30 SOHP stations were SO2R
>
> 60% of the top 30 SOHPA stations were SO2R.
>
> The top nine SO2R unassisted were higher scores than the top SO2R assisted.
>
> Yes, just one contest worth of data points but interesting.
>
> Maybe the SOA 1 radio guys are getting the short end of the stick.
>
> AND...there were only 30 entries total in MM. probably half of those stations have the capability (my guess) to run two stations in band.
>
> All the data was taken from 3830scores so there could be some calls that didn't submit a score there.
>
> Marty
> W1MD
>
> On Mar 14, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Ria Jairam <rjairam at gmail.com<mailto:rjairam at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Never understood that myself...
>
> THAT is something I'd like to see addressed. SO2R is essentially almost as advantageous as multi-op.
>
> This, IMO, is more "unfair" than a few people using unclaimed assistance and entering as SO unassisted.
>
> Ria
> N2RJ
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 10:45 AM, N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net<mailto:tony.kaz at verizon.net>> wrote:
> So if using twice the spectrum, which I agree, why are SO2R and SO1R in the
> same category? One could be running on two bands while the other can only
> run one band at a time.
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com>] On Behalf Of
> Martin Durham
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 9:30 PM
> To: Barry <w2up at comcast.net<mailto:w2up at comcast.net>>
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] PJ4G ARRL DX SSB Recording by N2IC
>
> That's not using two frequencies?? A good SO2R is cqing on one freq and
> either dueling CQs on a second freq or working multi. If time right
> transmits and receives make this a finely choreographed dance. Absolutely
> SO2R is using twice the spectrum that a SO1R is using.
>
> Marty
> W1MD
>
>> On Mar 13, 2017, at 9:21 PM, Barry <w2up at comcast.net<mailto:w2up at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> SO2R ops aren't using two freqs.  They are CQing on one and answering
> stations on another freq already in use by someone else.
>> Barry W2UP
>>
>>> On 3/13/2017 14:59, Martin Durham wrote:
>>> Not the issue. SO2R wouldn't be on a second frequency if it were not
> producing contacts.
>>> SO2R operators have twice the spectrum use of SO1R.
>>>
>>> THAT is the advantage. Why do multi ops exists?  To sit on a frequency
> calling CQ into dead air??
>>> I've been doing multi operator contests for over 30 years.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>> W1MD
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Ria Jairam
> <rjairam at gmail.com<mailto:rjairam at gmail.com><mailto:rjairam at gmail.com<mailto:rjairam at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>   Not necessarily since propagation varies widely within that space.
>>>
>>> Ria
>>> N2RJ
>>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 4:46 PM Martin Durham
> <W1md at w1md.net<mailto:W1md at w1md.net><mailto:W1md at w1md.net<mailto:W1md at w1md.net>>> wrote:
>>> Hmmmmmm
>>>
>>> What if you look at the spectrum as 1.8 - 30mhz. One station cq'ing
>>> on two frequencies is using twice the spectrum.  Regardless of the
>>> 'band' you are on. Riiiight??  :)
>>>
>>> SO2R operators effectively get to use twice the spectrum that SO1R
> operators use...right?
>>> Marty
>>> W1MD
>>>
>>>> On Mar 13, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Ria Jairam
> <rjairam at gmail.com<mailto:rjairam at gmail.com><mailto:rjairam at gmail.com<mailto:rjairam at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>> Some bands are more limited in space than others.
>>>> 40m - 75kHz
>>>> 20m - 200kHz
>>>> 15m -  250kHz
>>>> 10m - 1.4MHz
>>>>
>>>> Some bands are more productive than others, depending on propagation.
>>>>
>>>> So with two CQs by one station on the same band the station engaging
>>>> in this practice takes up twice the space and denies others the use
>>>> of the productive or limited space band.
>>>>
>>>> CQing on two bands is different because the other band may not be as
>>>> productive, and even underused in low solar years.
>>>>
>>>> Ria
>>>> N2RJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 3:58 PM john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com><mailto:john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>>
> <john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com><mailto:john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> As far as spectrum usage goes what is the difference between this
>>>>> and a single op CQing on two bands?
>>>>>
>>>>> KK9A
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To:     cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com><mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>>
>>>>> Subject:        Re: [CQ-Contest] PJ4G ARRL DX SSB Recording by N2IC
>>>>> From:   W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com<mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com><mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com<mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com>>>
>>>>> Date:   Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:32:05 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the comments. I agree with your interpretation of the
>>>>> rules, I don't like that it is allowed and like many have asked the
>>>>> ARRL to close this loophole.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many believe that if everyone adopted this philosophy that the band
>>>>> would be a mess. People would have a very difficult time finding a
>>>>> place to CQ unless you were a big gun etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 and thanks for all the contacts from everywhere!
>>>>>
>>>>> W0MU
>>>>>
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